Apple iWatch reports

cerebus said:
No, that's not my definition either. There's a demarcation between phones and computers which I'd say is probably best articulated as non-substitionary. A car and a bicycle are not competing very strongly against each other because people aren't likely to substitute one for the other in making a purchasing decision. Whereas someone would buy an iPad or a Surface over a laptop and perform similar tasks on both.
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using your analogy a tablet is like a bike then which still isn't a car or a bicycle.
 
Crowley said:
using your analogy a tablet is like a bike then which still isn't a car or a bicycle.
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Ok look, let's say that by some measure a tablet is, and by some measure it also isn't, a proper computer. Whatever you want to call it. The thing it's hard to argue with (maybe you can though, you seem to find ways) is that people are choosing to buy an iPad at the cash register INSTEAD OF a PC. It's eaten away all the profits. If Toyota saw that people were buying Harleys instead of Corollas, they wouldn't care about pedantic distinctions.
 
icyrus said:
Please define a computer for us then.
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The lines are very blurred, I agree. Like I said earlier, just about everything you can do on your tablet I can do on my phone. Does that mean we can take phone sales into account as well for computer sales?

Trying to rebuild the reality distortion field

Now that things are turning out really bad for Apple, it appears that its chums in the Tame Apple press are having a crack at trying to rebuild the outfit’s reality distortion field.
This morning we had across our desk a few stories from magazines which should know better claiming that Apple is the world’s largest maker of PCs. That is right, the outfit has less than five percent of the PC market but its still beats Dell, HP and Lenovo. Hooray for Apple, that really teaches the world who is boss. The story is of course total bollocks and is based on a report by the analysis outfit Canalys. To make Apple the world leader it had to add in the iPad and the iPad Mini. On that basis Amazon beats Acer and Asus as leading PC vendors, having shipped 4.6 million Kindles in Q4.

To make matters worse the figures are based on on shipments, not sales. Often with toy computers like cheap tablets and iPhones there are lot which sit in the channel and never see the light of day. Apple, Canalys' said, was the PC leader for the quarter with 27 million shipped units, giving the company a market share of 20 percent for the first time. Then Canalys Research Analyst Pin-Chen Tang came out with some strange comments where he said that the launch of the iPad Mini had been timed well. He talked about its success as proving there is a clear demand for pads with smaller screens at a more affordable price.

Hadn’t that been proven already with the success of the Amazon Fire and the Nexus? Didn’t the iPad Mini stuff up sales of the iPad, which by Canalys’s own research is also part of the same PC market? Neither Gartner nor IDC had Apple ranked among their respective top five worldwide PC vendors for the quarter probably because Apple does not make many PCs. More accurately they ranked Apple third for PC shipments in the United States.

HP, by Canalys' reckoning, ended the quarter with the second-highest number of worldwide PC shipments at 15 million, representing 11 percente of the PC market. Lenovo, meanwhile, shipped just 200,000 fewer PCs than did HP, per Canalys. The question is why this report has been treated seriously by the trade press and why Canalys’s assessment that a tablet is a PC is was not challenged, even by the company itself.

Based on that reasoning you can claim that Jobs Mob rules the world when it comes to making televisions, because every tablet and iPhone can run a TV connection.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/30399-tame-apple-press-claims-apple-makes-the-most-pcs
 
AlphaJohn said:
Well I do not have the facts and figures on above type of patents maybe you can entertain us with number data and sources?
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I don't know, but I bet you can't name a single suit one of the big companies brought over a patent they don't use.
 
icyrus said:
I don't know, but I bet you can't name a single suit one of the big companies brought over a patent they don't use.
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No not off the top of my head, but I know 1st hand how they use numbers to intimidate people into paying.

"Pay x agreement or we will find somthing in our portfolio that you do infringe on"
 
AlphaJohn said:
No not off the top of my head, but I know 1st hand how they use numbers to intimidate people into paying.

"Pay x agreement or we will find somthing in our portfolio that you do infringe on"
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Apple has been planning a watch for ages now. I heard it was the last watch Steve Jobs worked on so it will be great.
 
AlphaJohn said:
No not off the top of my head, but I know 1st hand how they use numbers to intimidate people into paying.

"Pay x agreement or we will find somthing in our portfolio that you do infringe on"
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Perhaps and there probably is an element to that in their hoarding of patents. Generally though I think they would go with the line of "if we didn't patent it first then someone else would've and then tried to sue us".

The whole system is beyond absurd.
 
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