Apple: Marketing genius

<moLe> said:
apple is all branding......release an iphone with actual buttons (prefferably a qwerty keyboard) and I'll reconsider. And a symbian OS will also be an upgrade
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Putting symbian on it would be akin to putting diesel in a petrol engine.

I also foresee a slew of new accessories hitting the shelves including QWERTY keypads.
 
bwana said:
Putting symbian on it would be akin to putting diesel in a petrol engine.

I also foresee a slew of new accessories hitting the shelves including QWERTY keypads.
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Yes but let's not give them ideas now, we don't want the ignorant masses getting hold of quality apple products.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Yes but let's not give them ideas now, we don't want the ignorant masses getting hold of quality apple products.
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haha why? oh let me guess then it whould loose its "cooool" status. Nah sorry for the bussiness man on the run there is only two options, either blackberry or nokia e71....dont want to plug a freaking keyboard in to my phone while driving (not that I should be sms/emailing while driving) but thats just silly. Neither do I want a smudged screen. And reason i want/need sysmbian is due to the fact that one of the companies I contract with use an in house symbian program. E71 owns this phone 4-love when it comes to bussiness........can even use it as a modem with your laptop
 
Aqua_lung said:
iPhone OS3 supports accessories that means you can plug a keyboard in, it just needs do be built, a gamepad was in the works and will become available for example.

This is no ordinary 'phone'...
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Yes, it is no ordinary phone and yes, accessories will be specially made from it so that you can plug in a special keyboard for the special phone.

On the other side you have ordinary phones that run ordinary OSes with support for HMI bluetooth devices. No special development, no special plugs, no special price. It just works :p
 
Rouxenator said:
Yes, it is no ordinary phone and yes, accessories will be specially made from it so that you can plug in a special keyboard for the special phone.

On the other side you have ordinary phones that run ordinary OSes with support for HMI bluetooth devices. No special development, no special plugs, no special price. It just works :p
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Yet you need to buy a new model every 6 months, my iPhone is a year old yet in a few months time it will be better than any new devices on market simply due to a free update. :p
 
Aqua_lung said:
Yet you need to buy a new model every 6 months, my iPhone is a year old yet in a few months time it will be better than any new devices on market simply due to a free update. :p
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Enjoy your CitiPhone - it will last for ever in that design.
 
I have mixed feelings about Apple.
I think that people who go out any buy a new Mac Pro (Desktop).. are idiots.
It's PC hardware, slapped inside an aluminium case with an Apple logo - and suddenly it's work five times the cost of similarly speced PC kit.

Intel CPUs.. nVIDIA or ATI graphics cards, at a hell of a price.
For the same money, one could build a PC that is a lot more powerful than the Mac Pro.

On the other end of the scale.. I have a MacBOOK Pro, in 15" Unibody guise.
I simply love it. Within reasonable price ranges, it was one of the more powerful machines, whilst still being very compact and extraordinarily sexy!
I'm dual-booting XP for work, and still get the benefits of being able to run OSX for pleasure. It is incredibly powerful. A 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, coupled with a 250GB Hard Disk and a GeForce 9600M GT. I've upgraded the RAM to 4GB and it out-performs similarly priced Dell and HP machines belonging to colleagues of mine.
I love the Unibody/Aluminium MacBook Pro. It's fantastic.
It is just as upgradable as any other notebook. The Hard Disk, Optical Drive and RAM can all be upgraded and changed at your will.

I also have an iPhone 3G. I have a history of great Windows Mobile phones - which I loved. But I'm thoroughly enjoying the simplicity and beauty of the iPhone.

Apple certainly has it's flaws.. Especially with regards to pricing.. but they HAVE created some revolutionary products, which have affected the markets in a very positive manner.

My 2c.
 
Thing is, as revolutionary as the iPhone is, when you want a phone, go buy a phone, when you want to be regular and healthy, go buy some fruit like blackberries and apples.
 
An apple a day keep windows away

An apple a day keeps windows away :)
 
I'm sorry, but did you miss the million plus posts on the weakness of the iPhone being the MMS, and Cut and Paste. When they launched the 3g, this was the biggest criticism of the damn thing. The true marketing genius is in it's marketing to it's loyal consumer base and early adopters.

The fact about Mac is that they design the OS to fit a specific configuration of components which makes the performance of the product more predictable and more stable.

So you're on a PC, be proud, revel in it's competitive pricing and component adaptability. But stop with the mac-envy, it's very sad.
 
Macs honestly feel crappy to use. :yuck: . But thats offtopic, I would much rather have the HTC touch HD :D
 
ANiMOSiTY said:
I have mixed feelings about Apple.
I think that people who go out any buy a new Mac Pro (Desktop).. are idiots.

It's PC hardware, slapped inside an aluminium case with an Apple logo - and suddenly it's work five times the cost of similarly speced PC kit.

Intel CPUs.. nVIDIA or ATI graphics cards, at a hell of a price.
For the same money, one could build a PC that is a lot more powerful than the Mac Pro.
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Which CPUs would you use? Two Gainestown Xeon Quad Core 5500s.
What CPU is faster than that?
Twin CPU motherboard?
Decent case with quality 1KW power supply?
Cost?
Can it run MacOSX?
Does the Nvidia board have EFI?

On the other end of the scale.. I have a MacBOOK Pro, in 15" Unibody guise.
I simply love it. Within reasonable price ranges, it was one of the more powerful machines, whilst still being very compact and extraordinarily sexy!
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SEXY?

Who wants a SEXY computer? Many of us want a machine which actually works. There is your misconception. The Mac Pro is actually a machine for people who use it for professional or enthusiast purposes. It renders video and audio faster than PCs and it does it in industry leading software products (Apple Shake, Apple Color, Apple Final Cut Pro etc).

I'm dual-booting XP for work, and still get the benefits of being able to run OSX for pleasure.
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Ok some of us run OSX to actually get some work done. I can think of many things more fun than messing with icons and menus on a computer screen.
I'm not coming down on you but unless you do very intensive tasks on that machine you probably overpaid and are guilty of what you accused Mac Pro buyers of - a Macbook would do you well enough - it has a dedicated GPU
and plenty of RAM and a CPU which is almost as fast.

It is incredibly powerful. A 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, coupled with a 250GB Hard Disk and a GeForce 9600M GT. I've upgraded the RAM to 4GB and it out-performs similarly priced Dell and HP machines belonging to colleagues of mine.
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What do you do with it? Do you just run Office Apps fast? If you ran processor intensive tasks you'd realise how SLOW that is compared to a Mac Pro. 2.93 GHz 8 core Xeon vs a 2.4 GHz dual Core non-xeon without onboard memory controller, slower bus and less cache.

I love the Unibody/Aluminium MacBook Pro. It's fantastic.
It is just as upgradable as any other notebook. The Hard Disk, Optical Drive and RAM can all be upgraded and changed at your will.
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You like it primarily because it looks sexy?
 
Mobile OS shootout: iPhone OS 3.0 enters the fray

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mobile-os-shootout-iphone-os-3-0-enters-the-fray/

As soon as Apple rolled out its preview of iPhone OS 3.0, the comparisons to existing (and forthcoming) mobile OSs started flying. While the major update isn't exactly a done deal, it's pretty far along, and we've been able to glean quite a bit from our time with the developer beta we've been checking out. iPhone OS, Android, webOS, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry, S60; if you're in the market for a new smartphone, your choices have been getting exponentially more complicated lately, and 3.0 won't make the selection any easier. Luckily for you, Engadget is here to make sense of a frightening and uncertain landscape. Read on for an in-depth look at the similarities -- and differences -- between modern mobile operating systems.
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Review continues... see link.
 
If you use a computer/phone and think "ok that was a nifty feature. Amuse me with another one", then you're better off with the Symbian/WM/PC feature chase.

If you use a computer/phone and think "hmmm this is a nice feature, but lets see how you can make it better" the Mac/iPhone is better.

Apple sits there and refines things again and again to try and remove the frustration from using their products.

Years ago I had an Nokia 9500 which I wanted to use to listen to my music on the bus. It came with a basic built in music player and I decided to use it instead of my 128MB Muvo NX.

And it lasted for a whole week before I bumped the fragile PopPort headphones out and it started blaring my music in the middle of the bus. A few days later it happened again. Now it may be that people who are exceptionally careful with the way they place their phone in their pocket don't have this problem, but the 9500 was pretty heavy and liked to shift down.

That prompted me to get the first iPod Nano, which automatically paused the song when the headphone jack came out, and I've been happy ever since.

I got a Nokia 6120c and tried with its music player and saw the same thing still happens years later, but at least they're not using the fragile Popport anymore. On the other hand the iPhone automatically pauses like it should.

All it takes is someone putting in a bit of extra thought when they build the system to go "hang on, even though switching from headphone to speaker is the default action of the OS, maybe we should override that behaviour for the benefit of our users. Maybe our customers aren't a bunch of damn chavs who want to blast their music out at the drop of a hat."
 
PeterCH said:
Which CPUs would you use? Two Gainestown Xeon Quad Core 5500s.
What CPU is faster than that?
Twin CPU motherboard?
Decent case with quality 1KW power supply?
Cost?
Can it run MacOSX?
Does the Nvidia board have EFI?



SEXY?

Who wants a SEXY computer? Many of us want a machine which actually works. There is your misconception. The Mac Pro is actually a machine for people who use it for professional or enthusiast purposes. It renders video and audio faster than PCs and it does it in industry leading software products (Apple Shake, Apple Color, Apple Final Cut Pro etc).



Ok some of us run OSX to actually get some work done. I can think of many things more fun than messing with icons and menus on a computer screen.
I'm not coming down on you but unless you do very intensive tasks on that machine you probably overpaid and are guilty of what you accused Mac Pro buyers of - a Macbook would do you well enough - it has a dedicated GPU
and plenty of RAM and a CPU which is almost as fast.



What do you do with it? Do you just run Office Apps fast? If you ran processor intensive tasks you'd realise how SLOW that is compared to a Mac Pro. 2.93 GHz 8 core Xeon vs a 2.4 GHz dual Core non-xeon without onboard memory controller, slower bus and less cache.




You like it primarily because it looks sexy?
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Sheesh dude.. It was an opinion. No need to rip another person's opinion to shreds!

I said the MacBOOK Pro (the Notebook) was sexy.. and yes, why would I choose an ugly and cumbersome Dell or HP when the MacBook Pro outperforms them AND is more compact and looks better whilst doing so?
A large part of Apple's marketing relies on the design of their products.

Right.. as for the Mac Pro.

First and foremost, the majority of Mac Pro users are graphics designers.
The primary critera for a powerful graphics rig are GPU, CPU and RAM.
Secondly, the CPU, RAM and Motherboard components used in a Mac Pro are very closely-related to PC Server Hardware. You could build a desktop PC, using a server motherboard with multiple sockets, or even a specialized desktop board with multiple sockets (which do exist).

You asked "Which CPUs would you use? Two Gainestown Xeon Quad Core 5500s.
What CPU is faster than that?"

The older Xeon is based on the Core2 Microarchitecture, which includes the Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad desktop CPUs. A 3.0GHz Core 2 Quad will give very similar results to your Xeon 5500, for a much better price. If you're talking about the brand-new Mac Pro with Nehalem architecture, it's the same architecture as a Core i7 CPU. PC hardware. I could use a brand-new Intel Core i7 CPU. Similar power to a 5500, at less cost. And if you do want that power, buy a Nehalem Xeon 5500 CPU or 2.

You asked "Twin CPU motherboard?"
I could easily get something like an INTEL Desktop Board D5400XS. That has Dual CPU Sockets. If I wanted more, I could use a plethora of available desktop/server motherboards.
I could buy a couple of Xeons and slap them into that board or similar boards.

You asked "Decent case with quality 1KW power supply?"
The availablility of PC cases far exceeds the word-limit of posts on this BB.
Almost every PC accessory manufacturer makes cases, including the component manufacturers like Gigabyte and ASUS.
As for a powersupply, the ThermalTake ToughPower series are the entry-level within the "decent PSU" range. You could spend big money on better brands, but this should give you an idea:
ThermalTake 1000W PSU
ThermalTake 1200W PSU

You asked "Cost?"
Certainly less than a range-topping Mac Pro with all the options.

You asked "Can it run MacOSX?"
Technically, yes. Legally, no.
So what? There's Windows, Linux, BSD etc etc...
I'd not pay R35k for something, purely because it can run MacOS.

You asked "Does the Nvidia board have EFI?"
Do you know who originally invented EFI?
Intel did. Due to the extreme amount of different configurations available in the PC world.. it does take time to release new standards. But it's on it's way.
However, neither EFI nor BIOS really matter once the OS has loaded.

Something you didn't ask about, though, is Graphics Cards.
A $2499 Mac Pro with a measly 3GB of RAM.. only includes an NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB. That is hardly cutting-edge. My 10-month old GTX260 will destroy that, and you can still buy those for less than what it costs to upgrade to an ATI 4870 in a Mac Pro.

I attend the odd gaming LAN every now and then. One of our mates has a Mac Pro and his machine is out-performed, in games, by those of us with Core 2 Duos / Core 2 Quads with decent graphics cards.

Bottom-Line..
If money is no object, you can get much more powerful PC-kit.
But if money does matter, which I think it does to most of us, then you can save yourself a decent amount and still have Mac Pro performance in a PC.
 
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