Apple Silicon M5

FiestaST said:
Respect how this thread goes full circle back to Luke Miani :cool: 😁
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The guy who was not long ago saying the 2015 Macbook Pros are the computer to get second hand because of excellent performance and very cheap price (In the US, in SA the prices are still high because people milk even old things for high prices)?

Benchmarks? Why worry about benchmarks when a 2015 16GB Macbook Pro is still plenty fast for what typical non professional users use their for? And it's fast for the same advanced tasks it was fast for in 2015.
 
Mirai said:
The guy who was not long ago saying the 2015 Macbook Pros are the computer to get second hand because of excellent performance and very cheap price (In the US, in SA the prices are still high because people milk even old things for high prices)?

Benchmarks? Why worry about benchmarks when a 2015 16GB Macbook Pro is still plenty fast for what typical non professional users use their for? And it's fast for the same advanced tasks it was fast for in 2015.
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Yes, its like my son who used my old 2016 iPhone SE and then when he got a brand new 2025 Samsung A25 he complained that the new Samsung is slower than the old iPhone.
 
Mirai said:
They're Apple. They're in the top 2-3 customers. Nobody will ever give them trouble. Come on. They could have gone M1 to M4 or M5. M1 Max Macbook Pros are still good enough even for demanding video/photo editors. Maybe those pulling 8K, well they had the Ultra desktops for those.
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Sure bud that's why AMD got their COWOS allocation slashed to 95,000 from 120,000 wafers earlier this year. Allocations are finite and are booked years in advance. I'm not sure how you expect them to magically stockpile future fab allocation and then meet demand 4 years later when technology advances constantly.
Mirai said:
When it throttles thermally, but it doesn't throttle thermally for Facebook, youtube, Netflix, Insta, music, Office, etc.

Sometimes the thermal throttling is also from dried out conducting paste. One can replace that.

I've noticed a problem with enough RAM on the 8GB machine with a few browser tabs open, but the 16GB one doesn't break a sweat.

I'm not claiming Intel Macbooks from 2015 have the same performance for demanding tasks as M1 and above. But most Apple users don't use their computers that way. Same way that most Apple users don't need the 1TB Pro Max iPhone. And if they have it, 99% don't know how to use the additional functions. It's a status symbol.

I'm actually saying that M1 customers will be happy as long as Apple continues security support, given that a much weaker 2015 computer is still able to handle the same tasks without problems. :) Computers these days are fast enough. It's not the days of the 286 to 386 to 486 to Pentium. And these are not gaming rigs requiring more fps each year.
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Plug your 2015 MacBook into a 4k monitor and watch a 4k video at 60fps with Chrome. It'll thermal throttle in 10-15 mins. Internal display 4k/60fps and I'd be surprised if it wasn't throttling in 20-30mins.
 
Mirai said:
The guy who was not long ago saying the 2015 Macbook Pros are the computer to get second hand because of excellent performance and very cheap price (In the US, in SA the prices are still high because people milk even old things for high prices)?
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The demand is driven by the fact that they're upgradeable and make for a great Windows/Linux machine for $200-$250.
 
quovadis said:
Sure bud that's why AMD got their COWOS allocation slashed to 95,000 from 120,000 wafers earlier this year. Allocations are finite and are booked years in advance. I'm not sure how you expect them to magically stockpile future fab allocation and then meet demand 4 years later when technology advances constantly.
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You're creating a hypothetical non-existent situation with Apple and then trying to say - oh but how can they. It's sophistry.

AMD has a market value of $410 billion while Apple is thought to be $3.9 trillion in October 2025. That's a huge difference.

Not sure what you mean about future stockpile, if TSMC wants to have a $3.9 trillion customer, they must listen to what Apple tells them to do.

Apple can do what they want.

Why does the technology "advance constantly"? Competition in numbers. Qualcomm or Samsung will say, oh we have a 2nm process and post that in their marketing and people will buy. Meanwhile the ancient M1 still manages to remain competitive against Qualcomm's latest offerings. Maybe not in some synthetic benchmarks but overall including ecosystem and software support and brand loyalty.

So Apple is also caught up in a rat race to be the fastest in benchmarks and smallest processes which is not necessary. Later Apple has to sell these devices, and who with a well functioning computer wants to buy another one? Maybe new people who mature or those with ancient machines, but that's probably not enough customers, so they have to make some well functioning devices vintage to sell more.

quovadis said:
Plug your 2015 MacBook into a 4k monitor and watch a 4k video at 60fps with Chrome. It'll thermal throttle in 10-15 mins. Internal display 4k/60fps and I'd be surprised if it wasn't throttling in 20-30mins.
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Why would I want to do that when I don't do that on my M3 Max?

Why do you contrive weird scenarios when you're wrong? By the way Chrome overheats my M3 Max sometimes. So I don't use Chrome. LOL.
 
quovadis said:
The demand is driven by the fact that they're upgradeable and make for a great Windows/Linux machine for $200-$250.
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They're not upgradable for RAM. The machine Miani was promoting was the retina Pro model with soldered on RAM, I have the top specce'd one of that from 2015. The SSD can be swapped but thunderbolt 2 SSD is also fast. He was talking about continuing to use Mac OS and even using Open Core Legacy Patcher.

In older videos he was talking about older 2015 non retina Macbooks with the RAM upgrades or perhaps these are from 2012-2013 only.

Anyway Mac OS runs very well on these 2015 models and in my experience comparing them to the 2012 retina with 8GB RAM the RAM becomes an issue as sites become bigger and there's more bloat.
 
Mirai said:
You're creating a hypothetical non-existent situation with Apple and then trying to say - oh but how can they. It's sophistry.

AMD has a market value of $410 billion while Apple is thought to be $3.9 trillion in October 2025. That's a huge difference.

Not sure what you mean about future stockpile, if TSMC wants to have a $3.9 trillion customer, they must listen to what Apple tells them to do.

Apple can do what they want.
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Economics isn't your thing, is it? If Apple aren't booking that capacity someone else will. TSMC is not going to dump all their customers for one year out of 5 because that's when Apple wants to buy all the wafers. Same goes for storage/memory/displays/semiconductors and raw materials in general. There's only so much capacity in so much time.

Mirai said:
Why does the technology "advance constantly"? Competition in numbers. Qualcomm or Samsung will say, oh we have a 2nm process and post that in their marketing and people will buy. Meanwhile the ancient M1 still manages to remain competitive against Qualcomm's latest offerings. Maybe not in some synthetic benchmarks but overall including ecosystem and software support and brand loyalty.
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Not sure what your argument is? You want to hold back progress for higher density, lower TDP, higher performance chips with better yields because you'd rather double performance every 5 years rather than ~15% year/year? Not to mention faster nand and other modules?

Mirai said:
Why would I want to do that when I don't do that on my M3 Max?

Why do you contrive weird scenarios when you're wrong? By the way Chrome overheats my M3 Max sometimes. So I don't use Chrome. LOL.
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You think the average user never consumes 4k video for 10-30 minutes before or during work? It's not contrived, it's a literal average use case. Your M3 max isn't gonna do that after 10 mins.
 
bwana said:
My definition of productivity may differ from yours - I can still see a use case for something like a 2015 MBP.
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Sure but my argument was more to do with the overall experience difference of an Intel MBP to the M1 vs the M1 to the M4 or M5 for the average use case.
 
Anyone think that the next MacBook Pros will have a new chassis/ form factor change or it'll just be current with new oled (perhaps touch ughhh) panel and a pro/max processor?
 
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