Apple TV

[Dolby]

Do you guys think they new model is close to launch - and do you reckon the YouTube issue would be sorted in the next iteration ?

I need to get myself a streamer and leaning towards this, but worried something better is here in a few months

 

[NeonNinja]

What about the Android eco system?

 

[Nimz]

Do you guys think they new model is close to launch - and do you reckon the YouTube issue would be sorted in the next iteration ?

I need to get myself a streamer and leaning towards this, but worried something better is here in a few months

Isn't the YouTube issue just an issue about different codecs being use / supported? So current devices should just get the software update when they come to an agreement

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yeah I do believe the YouTube issue is a political one and not a hardware issue so unlikely to change unless Google comes to the party.

That being said I’ve honestly never felt I missed anything not having 4K YouTube.

Doubt there will be a new Apple TV any time soon as I can’t see what more you could possibly want over the current one.

It does everything at the top level of the current market offering so makes no sense or launch a new one.

Likely only when 8K is a standard thing.

 

[3WA]

There's a Youtube issue???

 

[Dolby]

What about the Android eco system?

I've subscribed to Apple TV+ and Smithsonian Channel ... so I'd prefer to have something that can run that.

I also do Google Movies occasionally - but I guess I have to lose that

 

[Dolby]

Isn't the YouTube issue just an issue about different codecs being use / supported? So current devices should just get the software update when they come to an agreement

Seems it :/

 

[Dolby]

That being said I’ve honestly never felt I missed anything not having 4K YouTube

That's because you can't see it

As happened with Netflix, more and more videos/channels are starting do 4K. Some even have HDR - and it's be great to have everything available one device. Regarding the new device, my hope would have been that they'd fix that YouTube issue and be friends once again :/

That aside, I don't really have an issue with the current, barring the price tag for a really old unit

 

[greg0205]

It's been a while since the last update so buyers guides say don't buy... They don't indicate timelines on a new release 'tho, and you can get stuck in a buying paralysis if you start to think about it too much.

I'm of the opinion that if you want one, just get one.

That said, let me take off my Apple hat and point out that you might want to take a look at the Firestick 4K too.

Runs the Apple TV app so you'll have Apple TV+ and Smithsonian... and it has YouTube.

 

[SauRoNZA]

That's because you can't see it

As happened with Netflix, more and more videos/channels are starting do 4K. Some even have HDR - and it's be great to have everything available one device. Regarding the new device, my hope would have been that they'd fix that YouTube issue and be friends once again :/

That aside, I don't really have an issue with the current, barring the price tag for a really old unit

HDR would be the only exclusion, pure resolution means nothing.

The odd video that I spot as having 4K I'll flip over to the WebOS version of Youtube and to date I haven't found any of them being HDR and therefore haven't missed anything.

Youtube is still just "crowd sourced" content at the end of the day so I don't have the same expectation of it that I do of Netflix and Apple TV+ etc where everything should be Dolby Vision or GTFO.

As for the "really old unit" have you considered how old the unit is inside even the newest of TV's? They don't really need anything more. It's not something that requires feature updates or more processing for ultimately still doing the very same thing.

It's only two years old anyway and running the equivalent of iPad Pro in there so it really doesn't need much.

In fact, my original non-4K Apple TV is still in use in my other lounge and obviously except for the 4K factor they operate identically.

There really should be no concern for how old it is until the standards change, which will only be after HDMI 2.1 becomes commonplace, which anyway means it will only matter once you get a new TV that supports that.

If it helps ease your mind...

1st Gen - 2007 (beginning of)
2nd Gen - 2010 (end of)
3rd Gen - 2012
4th Gen - 2015
5th Gen - 2017 (end of)

And a reminder that the 4th and 5th generation are exactly the same and really one and the same product with an output difference. The 4th gen has not been obsoleted and is still being sold alongside the 5th gen.

I honestly don't think we'll see a replacement before at the very earliest 2021, but likely even well after that.

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All of that being said since you don't like iPhones and don't do any other Apple things that I can recall I don't understand why you would want this over say a Xaiomi Mii Box or the above mentioned Amazon Fire options for less money and more compatability with your glorious Huawei.

The bigger benefit of the Apple TV is it's cohesion with other Apple products, without that it likely doesn't make much sense for a non-Apple person to use.

Why do you need a streamer though? What's wrong with your TV's built-in functions?

 

[Nimz]

I just picked up the 4K version for 2K recently (second hand) so i'm quite content for a year or 3

 

[Dolby]

So many questions here ....

HDR would be the only exclusion, pure resolution means nothing

Yea I'm sure - but again, I think you see it that way because it doesn't have it ?
When 3G , 4G and 5G came out after everything - the same thing was said about Apples reasoning ?

'We don't care / we don't notice a difference / they're waiting for perfection / only when we have it, is it cool'

Anyhow we've had the above discussion for a while - so rather let's get to the new stuff ...

Why do you need a streamer though? What's wrong with your TV's built-in functions?

In my opinion, the later Samsung/ LG smart-hubs were among the best and most comprehensive - and I had no interest in purchasing something additional. I wasn't stuck to either eco system, as my Samsung has both Google Movies and Apple TV app ... so I was very happy. However, a few weeks ago Samsung decided to update their FW which caused a number of issues for people - specifically for me, my Netflix sound *no longer worked.

All of that being said since you don't like iPhones and don't do any other Apple things that I can recall I don't understand why you would want this over say a Xaiomi Mii Box or the above mentioned Amazon Fire options for less money and more compatability with your glorious Huawei

As much as I dislike the iPhone, you'll see that I really don't mind the other products too much. I've had an iPod and iPads and Apple TVs - I just really think the iPhone is a bit bleh. To answer more direct, as far as streamers go, it is probably the best in my eyes and it I was forced to take a streamer - it'd likely be that. I subscribe to Apple TV+ as well - so whatever I choose needs that.

Not a fan of casting ... not a fan of side-loading or having to make things work ... so that rules out things like Fire Stick, Chromecast or Roku ?

I'll flip over to the WebOS version of Youtube and to date I haven't found any of them being HDR and therefore haven't missed anything

I just find it annoying that you have to flip around to get the best of everything - but I've understood that I'll be doing the same should I get this.

As for the "really old unit" have you considered how old the unit is inside even the newest of TV's? They don't really need anything more. It's not something that requires feature updates or more processing for ultimately still doing the very same thing

What I mean by a really old unit is that a phone in 2017 and 2020 has evolved ... as have TVs ... and AVRs ... as most technologies have. So the Apple TV is 'old' in that the replacement may have some new features - and no one wants to buy something just before it is EOL (unless it's cheap). If something was rumored to be on the way, I may be tempted to wait.

* Netflix forced output through to DD+ - there's no option anyhow. My processor should do DD+ - but for whatever reason, it won't work. I thought this was my particular buggy receiver at first - but I've seen various people on other forums saying the exact same thing : DD+ is just static and it's forced on.

 

[Dolby]

This is what their stupid FW did :

Top left is YouTube , top right is ATV - bottom left is Amazon Prime and bottom right in Netflix. It's stuck on Dolby Digital+ - which doesn't work. Samsung acknowledged the error and actually released new FW yesterday which I hoped would rectify the issue. But it didn't :/

So my option was get a newer AVR (though, I'd need to test that it actually works!) - but that's R15k .... the second was an ATV @ R3.4k

 

[$m@Rt@$$]

However, a few weeks ago Samsung decided to update their FW which caused a number of issues for people - specifically for me, my Netflix sound *no longer worked.

What Samsung do you have? I don't really have issues besides Netflix ever so often refusing to connect but that also seems to be sorted a while back.

 

[Dolby]

What Samsung do you have? I don't really have issues besides Netflix ever so often refusing to connect but that also seems to be sorted a while back.

I have a Q70R now - I've never had issues before this ... rock solid.

But are you using HDMI ARC to output Netflix 5.1 ? That's where the issue lies

 

[$m@Rt@$$]

I have a Q70R now - I've never had issues before this ... rock solid.

But are you using HDMI ARC to output Netflix 5.1 ? That's where the issue lies

I hear you. No I'm using optical to a Samsung bar.

 

[SauRoNZA]

So many questions here ....



Yea I'm sure - but again, I think you see it that way because it doesn't have it ?
When 3G , 4G and 5G came out after everything - the same thing was said about Apples reasoning ?

'We don't care / we don't notice a difference / they're waiting for perfection / only when we have it, is it cool'

Anyhow we've had the above discussion for a while - so rather let's get to the new stuff ...

No what I meant was for the content I watch I’ve not found a single one that has done HDR so the benefit hasn’t been there.

I love HDR and would never live without it again. It’s far more important than resolution.

Not a fan of casting ... not a fan of side-loading or having to make things work ... so that rules out things like Fire Stick, Chromecast or Roku ?

Agreed the concept of casting only; sucks and should be an add on to a full remote based setup.

However you should need or side load or anything like that with the brand name Android units that are certified.

I just find it annoying that you have to flip around to get the best of everything - but I've understood that I'll be doing the same should I get this.

Like I said I very rarely ever do.

What I mean by a really old unit is that a phone in 2017 and 2020 has evolved ... as have TVs ... and AVRs ... as most technologies have. So the Apple TV is 'old' in that the replacement may have some new features - and no one wants to buy something just before it is EOL (unless it's cheap). If something was rumored to be on the way, I may be tempted to wait.

Except they haven’t really evolved. AV is not the same as the phone market.

All the things that happened to TV’s and AVR’s are already supported by the ATV and everything else is limited by the HDMI format.

They won’t bring out another one without HDMI 2.1.

The ATV even as old as it is the most powerful streamer device out there for it form factor.

* Netflix forced output through to DD+ - there's no option anyhow. My processor should do DD+ - but for whatever reason, it won't work. I thought this was my particular buggy receiver at first - but I've seen various people on other forums saying the exact same thing : DD+ is just static and it's forced on.

Have you tried unplugging it all at the wall and starting it back up together? And have you reset both to factory defaults?

I’ve had this very same issue with a friend’s Samsung TV and AVR recently and only managed to make it worth after factory resetting both.

 

[Hamster]

What about the Android eco system?

Go away peasant

 

[Hamster]

There's a Youtube issue???

Did somebody answer this? Because I watch YouTube a lot and it's flawless.

Only issue I have is the Netflix app slowing down the more you browse

 

[3WA]

Did somebody answer this? Because I watch YouTube a lot and it's flawless.

Only issue I have is the Netflix app slowing down the more you browse

Apparently it’s not 4k but our peasant eyes didn’t realise.