Arcane for raiding

SnowWar said:
Odom u are a ****ing moron. QQ somewhere else.

What mage keeps f$#%%ing you up? L2FP thx cheers

****ing noob
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http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/classrank/dps/8/0/3/320

Hey there! Lets take a look at WoW Meter Online because it's uploads of all the ver best guilds in the world using the very best raid combs with players played by the best in the world.

Lets take a statistical approach to this and work out where mages are on average compared to warlocks hmm?

Okay based on that table:

Mage highest position: 1
Mage average position: 2
Mage worse position: 5

Mage highest dps: 16 164
Mage average dps: 10 114
Mage worse dps: 7372

Warlock highest position: 4
Warlock average position: 7
Warlock worse position: 9

Warlock highest dps: 12 532
Warlock: average dps: 8583
Warlock worse dps: 6786

Now then lets compare differences.

Mage VS Warlock Position Highest Differece: 3 places
Mage VS Warlock Position Average Differece: 5 places
Mage VS Warlock Position Worse Differece: 4 places


Mage VS Warlock DPS Highest Difference: 3632
Mage VS Warlock DPS Average Difference: 1531
Mage VS Warlock DPS Worse Difference: 586

To summarise this into something small you'll grasp:

Mages are on average 5 places ahead of warlocks on current encounters.
Mages are on average 1531 dps ahead of warlocks on current encounters.

Ye, warlocks need to l2p and mages are completely fine. Please stfu.
 
his a warlock I knew it! Shame poor little lock is sad that his getting pawned by mages ... like it should be ... You had your chance to shine in TBC now its our turn deal with it.

Back to the topic (Odom go make your own I hate mages thread), I am usually a fire mage (can't get enough of hot streak), like last week I thought I will try arcane since I got a bit more haste gear (still way to low but ok)

(haste gear equipped atm)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ahn'Qiraj&n=Midoree

With arcane spec on average on bosses that don't buff you in anyway I am only doing like 6.5k dps. I was hoping to see this OP of arcane that people speak of? I do the same kind of damage as fire.

I haven't gone an read any threads about how to maximize arcane damage yet, maybe I should do it. One thing I wondered though is when people use their Missile Barrage, when it procs for me I never use it unless I'm on 4 stacks of Arcane Blast (is this a wise decision?)
 
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freeeK said:
Back to the topic (Odom go make your own I hate mages thread), I am usually a fire mage (can't get enough of hot streak), like last week I thought I will try arcane since I got a bit more haste gear (still way to low but ok)

(haste gear equipped atm)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...iraj&n=Midoree

With arcane spec on average on bosses that don't buff you in anyway I am only doing like 6.5k dps. I was hoping to see this OP of arcane that people speak of? I do the same kind of damage as fire.

I haven't gone an read any threads about how to maximize arcane damage yet, maybe I should do it. One thing I wondered though is when people use their Missile Barrage, when it procs for me I never use it unless I'm on 4 stacks of Arcane Blast (is this a wise decision?)
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With sufficient gear you never use missile barrage as your Arcane Blast has a higher DPCT than anything else, including hasted missiles. Do you time Arcane Power to Icy Veins? Do you PoM whenever it's available? Arcane doesn't have any magic tricks, which is what pisses me off, it's simply a really basic and high dps spec.
 
Dude you are just QQing because Locks where happy sitting @ the top of the DPS meter during Ulduar and now all of a sudden the glass cannons are where they are suppose to be.
During that time mages was sitting in the middle most of the time (except where they got allot of help in a particular fight)
No matter how u do it Mages, gl with top DPS. The more you have the better it is for the raid and the easier I do content.

Ow ye and mages are so OP in Arena... specially arcane mages! Say what! I'm sorry but imo to pvp well with a mage takes skill and the burst is not nearly what it should be for a fragile class. I want to see you casting 4 AB's in pvp...

I'm standing up for mages here yes, I have a mage yes, but it's not my main, probly my 3rd or 4th most played toon.

w1z4rd said & asked something here and you go & turn it into your own emo QQ thread.

Get laid pls! All donate R1 for a good cause?
 
Arcane PvP

Mage runs out, PoM sheeps someone and begins nuking the **** out of the other along with the rogue, the sheep is forced to trinket or it's partner will die, as it trinkets, rogue throws out a blind. GG game over.

SnowWar said:
Dude you are just QQing because Locks where happy sitting @ the top of the DPS meter during Ulduar and now all of a sudden the glass cannons are where they are suppose to be.
During that time mages was sitting in the middle most of the time (except where they got allot of help in a particular fight)
No matter how u do it Mages, gl with top DPS. The more you have the better it is for the raid and the easier I do content.
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If your melee weren't retarded they dominated Ulduar. Blame that on stupid scaling, OP set bonuses and ArP. The only caster friendly fight, lol hodir, was dominated by mages.

Get it into your head I don't hate mages I hate arcane mages. I would have no problem with mages dominating DPS if the rotation didn't solely consist of using 2 c/d's and mashing 1 ability non-stop. It's not a mage hate issue it's a hate issue with arcane.

I just don't feel that other classes who have to manage Bleeds, DoTs, Procs, Nukes, Executes and C/D's should all be trumped by some mouth breathing retard who mashes 1 ability non-stop. It's the exact same **** that ended up happening to warlocks in TBC and no one liked that, not even warlocks.
 
Well, if you had a mage and you bashed your Arcane Blast like you said, you'd be one useless mage 1/4 of the fight...

Arcane mages need to manage the Arcane Blast stack, use Arcane Missiles when proc'ed else se Arcane Barrage instead. Pop Arcane Power and Fingers of Frost when available and keep an eye on mana if the fight takes a bit longer and change your rotation to suit it.

GG on summing up a class you obviously don't know...
 
I never considered arcane as a pvp/Pve spec just because arcane only have 3 main attacks.
 
Method said:
Well, if you had a mage and you bashed your Arcane Blast like you said, you'd be one useless mage 1/4 of the fight...

Arcane mages need to manage the Arcane Blast stack, use Arcane Missiles when proc'ed else se Arcane Barrage instead. Pop Arcane Power and Fingers of Frost when available and keep an eye on mana if the fight takes a bit longer and change your rotation to suit it.

GG on summing up a class you obviously don't know...
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well you obviously don't read.

Arcane Mages can do that, but they pull more dps just mashing arcane blast.

Try it.

(brb weaving my dots on 2-3 mobs to pull half the dps mages do with 1 spell)
 
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avert said:
well you obviously don't read.

Arcane Mages can do that, but they pull more dps just mashing arcane blast.

Try it.

(brb weaving my dots on 2-3 mobs to pull half the dps mages do with 1 spell)
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And go OOM? Point being dmg done not maxing out burst DPS...
 
ye but that's just the thing, in t9/t10 gear you don't go oom.
 
This whole argument is a little silly really. The dude was just asking for advice. Dont worry, in a month or two you get to QQ over the next OP class, then bitch about how under powered your precious class is. I cant believe people are getting so aggro over it. So its easy for mages now? So what? Roll one if its such an issue in your life.
 
Corgon said:
This whole argument is a little silly really. The dude was just asking for advice. Dont worry, in a month or two you get to QQ over the next OP class, then bitch about how under powered your precious class is. I cant believe people are getting so aggro over it. So its easy for mages now? So what? Roll one if its such an issue in your life.
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Spot on.

Despite all the QQing (delicious tears imo!) I am going to give arcane a bash.
 
Actually being an arcane mage is sucking balls for me. The glass cannon analogy is dead on. Without ice barrier .. if anything farts in my direction.. I die.

If I have a really good healer.. alls good, but if I pug, I have to beg the healer to keep an eye on my health as it goes down so fast :( When play frost I used my potions to replenish mana, playing arcane I have to use my potions for health.. and its not enough.

Please make frost a good PVE spec... please please please. These silly mana shields are useless.
 
I don't really have an issue with keeping alive in raids. Just need to keep an eye out for stuff heading your way :p

Arcane is a fun spec to play. I've always been Fire and being able to play something else is a refreshing change.

Frost, however, is not a PvE spec and I fear won't be for some time still...which is fine with me seeing that we have 2 specs already for PvE. :)
 
Method said:
Well, if you had a mage and you bashed your Arcane Blast like you said, you'd be one useless mage 1/4 of the fight...

Arcane mages need to manage the Arcane Blast stack, use Arcane Missiles when proc'ed else se Arcane Barrage instead. Pop Arcane Power and Fingers of Frost when available and keep an eye on mana if the fight takes a bit longer and change your rotation to suit it.

GG on summing up a class you obviously don't know...
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Actually with sufficient gear, (T9/TotC25man) you literally can just spam arcane blast non-stop. So gg for being absolutely clueless about your own class. Also explain how one procs Fingers of Frost? Guess you meant Icy Veins, trust a mage to not even know the names of his own abilities. Also in connection with Arcane Power and Icy Veins, Icy veins c/d 3min so that gets used once, maybe twice a fight. arcane Power is 2min and 84sec talented. So over a 6 minute fight we're looking at using that 4 times. Ye man, managing cooldowns is hard. You have to press a different button once every 1 minute.

Arcane used to be about DPM and high burst followed by lower sustained damage. TBC for example, mages bursted hard then swapped to casting frostbolt to regain mana while waiting for another burst period. When you take a spec that relies on periods of heavy burst followed by cool-off and the heavy burst again, remove the need of a cool-off period and you have a class thats just heavy sustained burst non-stop.

Corgon said:
This whole argument is a little silly really. The dude was just asking for advice. Dont worry, in a month or two you get to QQ over the next OP class, then bitch about how under powered your precious class is. I cant believe people are getting so aggro over it. So its easy for mages now? So what? Roll one if its such an issue in your life.
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Asking for advice on a spec that involves mashing one button?

w1z4rd said:
Actually being an arcane mage is sucking balls for me. The glass cannon analogy is dead on. Without ice barrier .. if anything farts in my direction.. I die.

If I have a really good healer.. alls good, but if I pug, I have to beg the healer to keep an eye on my health as it goes down so fast When play frost I used my potions to replenish mana, playing arcane I have to use my potions for health.. and its not enough.

Please make frost a good PVE spec... please please please. These silly mana shields are useless.
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I'm at a loss here, are you referring to arcane in PvP or PvE? It seems like PvE seeing as you're mentioning a PuG. What the hell are taking damage from? Mages don't tank mobs bro. Also if you're referring to raid damage then you have some truly horrible healers.
 
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Odom said:
Actually with sufficient gear, (T9/TotC25man) you literally can just spam arcane blast non-stop. So gg for being absolutely clueless about your own class. Also explain how one procs Fingers of Frost? Guess you meant Icy Veins, trust a mage to not even know the names of his own abilities. Also in connection with Arcane Power and Icy Veins, Icy veins c/d 3min so that gets used once, maybe twice a fight. arcane Power is 2min and 84sec talented. So over a 6 minute fight we're looking at using that 4 times. Ye man, managing cooldowns is hard. You have to press a different button once every 1 minute.

Arcane used to be about DPM and high burst followed by lower sustained damage. TBC for example, mages bursted hard then swapped to casting frostbolt to regain mana while waiting for another burst period. When you take a spec that relies on periods of heavy burst followed by cool-off and the heavy burst again, remove the need of a cool-off period and you have a class thats just heavy sustained burst non-stop.



Asking for advice on a spec that involves mashing one button?



I'm at a loss here, are you referring to arcane in PvP or PvE? It seems like PvE seeing as you're mentioning a PuG. What the hell are taking damage from? Mages don't tank mobs bro. Also if you're referring to raid damage then you have some truly horrible healers.
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Odom please shut up, people make mistakes and typos. I have full t9 and you will go oom in under a minute if you just bash arcane blast. Go play your 3 button warlock please.
 
freeek said:
Odom please shut up, people make mistakes and typos. I have full t9 and you will go oom in under a minute if you just bash arcane blast. Go play your 3 button warlock please.
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Hey,

No need to attack Warlocks :( And it aint no 3 button class either :p
 
freeek said:
Odom please shut up, people make mistakes and typos. I have full t9 and you will go oom in under a minute if you just bash arcane blast. Go play your 3 button warlock please.
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Thank you.

I meant Icy Veins, yes. And not running OOM with with spamming AB is bull...so shush...
 
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