Are things really that bad in SA?

johnjm said:
Not at all, I was expanding on the reason why I, personally, do not plan on my kids finishing their education in this country. I worry about them, not myself. Childless couples don’t have that issue, if they were that way inclined.
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Cool, I missed the context. Agree. I don't have kids, if I did, I would do anything for them to have the best life.
 
Bassist said:
So if one wants to leave SA, should one not really ask oneself if you have done everything you can, absolutely everything, to try and fit in and execute on the formula of the very people I am describing here?
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As Justin Bieber said the grass ain't greener on the other side, it's green where you water it...
 
johnjm said:
Kids change everything. If I was childless then RSA could be heaven, but I am not selfish.
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But the people I know who have kids take them to normal schools. It is like the kids all help each other and protect each other. Afternoons they play sport.
 
powermzii said:
In general, SA std of living if you have a decent job etc is great. Great weather, generally great people too. Most people who do move abroad know they are unlikely to immediately get the same std of living - things work differently abroad. And as @johnjm said, kids do change things - suddenly its not just about you and your jolling, you have to do better by them (the kids)

Im probably overthinking this aren't i...
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Folks I know have a jol together with their kids. It seems they are happy all the time... not rich, but happy. How? Why?
 
No point in bemoaning others success. We've not all started at the same level. However most of us live within 10km? range of a township. a lot of people I see are living in absolute poverty.

You don't realise that some people have nothing until you see the nothing they have. I've seen wire used as the only cooking/eating utensil.
 
To all accounts they might be doing well, but probably the % of people doing well vs those not really vs those starving will frighten you.
 
They're one of the rapidly diminishing percentage in SA who obviously have stable jobs and who haven't (presumably) dug themselves into horrendous debt. Yes, SA is that bad for the majority of its population. Look beyond Kloof Street, IG and FB.
 
JacquesZA said:
Credit cards are easy to get in SA , so are car loans, store accounts and personal loans..
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this, see it all the time, people living (well) beyond their means
all to appear successful, to show off to their friends and taunt adversaries.

people driving GTI's are particular culprits,
fancy car, 2 min noodles for dinner,
no petrol in fancy car, always borrowing money, and always doing dodgy deals.
and never paying the money back.

guess if I could start again, Id give it a shot,
see how spending someones else money freely feels like.
 
Bassist said:
I get bombarded by messages from friends on Whatsapp and FB, just showing how nice lifestyles they are living. Photos galore.

They are not necessarily rich. And most don't live in The Boord or Constantia. But they have struck some formula for being successful in SA. It has a lot to do with networking, the right attitude, and some luck.

They have jobs they can go to and evenings they chill in Kloof street, barefoot, in frokkies, bearded, and drive hip cars. They have friends with holiday homes and they get the best women. They have qualifications (or not) and can travel to Europe. It seems they always get help somewhere from someone, especially good leads for business, specials, deals, or taking care of their dog while they jet around the world.

They live the best lifestyle in SA, in Europe they would not have been able to afford such a lifestyle.

Discuss. What is their secret formula?
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Are you posting this from Luthuli house?
 
johnjm said:
Kids change everything. If I was childless then RSA could be heaven, but I am not selfish.
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How is not having kids selfish?


Deciding to not have kids to burden the world population and for them to not struggle to make it in life is not selfish. Its selfless. We don't all need to have kids...

I look at poorer families with their 5 kids and I wonder, what the feck were they thinking? And then rich people who think they can have as many kids as they want because they can afford it, but they are contributing to the over population that is humans.
 
Daruk said:
Yeah, first sign you've lost your mind in SA - wearing a Rolex.
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Besides it means nothing if you don't pour expensive champagne over it.

Mugabes, **** yeah!

Also, short term things may still be fine, long term this place is ****ed, being raped to death by the ANC.
 
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