TofuMofu
Honorary Master
Said kid won't exist so no
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Are things really that bad in SA?
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NeonNinja
Neon Resident
I need some empirical evidence.
ArmatageShanks
Honorary Master
By the looks of things I think "happy" is more pertinent to this thread than "successful"
Sideshow Bob
Honorary Master
Did you ask them? Kids can be absolutely delightful but find me a parent who is happy all the time because of kids.
It looks like you're cherry picking. And random country in the world will have a % of people who are successful and live a good life. That's just normal. Pointing at them and asking what their secret is probably won't yield much that's actionable or useful.
I don't see it as envy but rather a critical analysis of how and why they are successful, and trying to apply the same steps, or at least concepts (e.g. positive attitude) to one's own life, for a while, before deciding to flee or at least moaning about everything in SA.
PoppieChoffel
Honorary Master
It may be for you, but it isn't for everyone. Your thread title is misleading. What you really want to know is how can you live like the 9% in SA (thumbsucked number but it wouldn't surprise me if that's fairly accurate) while being completely oblivious and uncaring about the rest of SA that doesn't directly, in-your-face, affect you.
If you are "happy" (by your own terms) in SA then you will stay in SA.
I'm trying to figure out by what measure or means a select group of people are, that remain in SA, so that I can try that too and come back to SA.
Why not? And what is wrong with cherry picking? Why would I not want to be ambitious enough to allow myself the opportunity to be one of those cherries, or at least try to, before deciding to jump ship to somewhere else where it (as I've discovered) is not better?
There are some things one just cannot change obviously, like the weather, just in case I now get told "but try to be happy in your new country". The weather affects you no matter where you live or who you are. However, not every person in SA will be eventually raped, as bad as a crime it however is.
But I think you need to open your eyes - in SA nowadays you NEED to be in survival mode. Until you secure some form of safety and comfort for you and your family - then you can put the survival mode into temporary sleep mode.
Sideshow Bob
Honorary Master
Interesting how you traveled from extremely positive first post to this one in such a short time.Because it's a bit like wondering how those frogs grew up in such a cool lily pond. Chances are they were just lucky to have been born there and didn't do much other than to ride the wave of circumstance. Do all the observation you want of those frogs and their habits and you'll get little actionable information from them on how to also end up in a such a cool pond.
Have passions and ideas? Have things you feel are holding you back? Then start moving. I just feel you're wasting energy trying to derive the magic formula of fortunate frogs.
Datura
Captain Faptastic
You are the epitome of selfishness.
you have settled for the bones they discard while they feast.
it appears you have no idea how they affect every person in this country, directly and indirectly, rich and poor.
How so?
Did you see the question mark after the title
I think it's bad in SA unless you are able to apply a formula, like some have, and make things successful for you. Obviously you need the right ingredients in the mix, and SA seems to have the basics to get you started (weather, etc). You'll need to be in survival mode until you do, though.
pb41
Well-Known Member
A certain proportion of South African society is ambitious, hard working, driven, responsible, self-disciplined, entrepreneurial, adaptable and resilient. This is probably a combination of upbringing, education, life experience, societal pressure and influences and an understanding of the basic requirements for success and getting ahead in life. I don't think this is nearly as common in Europe and possibly the USA. Some of the Far Eastern countries share these characteristics and it shows in their superior economic performance and quality of their workforces..
If you use that example then there are countless other counter-examples of those slum kids or otherwise losers who were abused by their horrible parents, failed school, but applied something to their lives that made them multi-millionaires, famous actors or actresses, or otherwise very successful people.
Every person? How?
Why settle for their bones? Find and create your own feast. That is what those successful people do who I've been talking about.
Ja, but those aren't the people you were talking about. Go read your first post again. You were referring to a specific group of people which is what I'm responding to with frog analogies.