Are you a "Coconut" ?

[SmartKit]

Its all about blacks chooisng to develop a "white" accent, being labelled coconuts.
As long as they reamin true to themselves and not try and pretend to be white, I don't see a problem.

English, suits and ties, currency, Mercedes Benz, wine, spectacles, indoor plumbing and football are also all white inventions. Should any black partaking be labelled a coconut?

Back to huts, oxen, sorghum beer, pit latreens, animal skins and local languages for blacks then?

 

[ponder]

Once again, haters gonna hate.

You tell him (in a posh white accent)!

 

[Azbubu]

I see lots of upset coconuts in this thread

 

[intel8080]

I see lots of upset coconuts in this thread

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European. You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them. This is how people are. I will accept you as my friend. I will sit with you at my table and share my last piece of bread with you. I am thankfull that you bothered to learn my language. I am happy that you are part of my community. But you will never be part of my ethnicity. Never. It is not because I don't want you too but because you simply are not. Some Africans do not get this point and there is where the problem starts. Some Africans are proud to be African and some not. The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

 

[Redeemed]

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European. You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them. This is how people are. I will accept you as my friend. I will sit with you at my table and share my last piece of bread with you. I am thankfull that you bothered to learn my language. I am happy that you are part of my community. But you will never be part of my ethnicity. Never. It is not because I don't want you too but because you simply are not. Some Africans do not get this point and there is where the problem starts. Some Africans are proud to be African and some not. The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

Do you regard yourself an African?

 

[Knyro]

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European. You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them. This is how people are. I will accept you as my friend. I will sit with you at my table and share my last piece of bread with you. I am thankfull that you bothered to learn my language. I am happy that you are part of my community. But you will never be part of my ethnicity. Never. It is not because I don't want you too but because you simply are not. Some Africans do not get this point and there is where the problem starts. Some Africans are proud to be African and some not. The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

Looks like someone's got a bit of a superiority complex here. Who said anything about wanting to be white? I speak Japanese too, does that mean I want to be Asian?

English is just another language to me, and I try to speak it properly, just like I would any other language. I'm not ashamed of my ethnicity one bit. Seriously now, get over yourself.

 

[intel8080]

Looks like someone's got a bit of a superiority complex here. Who said anything about wanting to be white? I speak Japanese too, does that mean I want to be Asian?

English is just another language to me, and I try to speak it properly, just like I would any other language. I'm not ashamed of my ethnicity one bit. Seriously now, get over yourself.

Where from exactly did you read that? I really would like to know. I merely wanted to give a explanation from where (I believe) the "coconut" issue comes from. I am sure there are other reasons too but superiority complex? How the f... did you arrive to that? How interesting.

 

[BlackMamba]

She's better than any of these twats, they can call her what they want just prooves how useless they are.

whenever someone speaks like you it shows that u are a twat too.... clearly and useless

 

[Knyro]

Where from exactly did you read that? I really would like to know. I merely wanted to give a explanation from where (I believe) the "coconut" issue comes from. I am sure there are other reasons too but superiority complex? How the f... did you arrive to that? How interesting.

Your post is rife with generalisations and insinuations about how inferior African cultures are.

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European.

Clearly implying that black people think speaking European languages makes them European. Not too bright are they, these blacks?

You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture.

Another amazing insight into the consciousness of black people. Seriously man? Why do you think foreigners from African countries are given a hard time? Or words like "kwerekwere" exist? How about tribal cracks that sometimes show in ANC leadership?

This is exactly the same thing. People being proud of their culture and not wanting to become "one". Personally don't think that being proud of your culture and discriminating against others have to go hand in hand but I digress.

Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them.

Really? Because Africans are inferior? Gotcha.

The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

I don't see anybody here that likes to be called a coconut. Offended by it? No. But that doesn't mean i like being called one, I'm simply indifferent to the term.

Another implication that European culture is superior which is why coconuts "act white".

 

[d0b33]

whenever someone speaks like you it shows that u are a twat too.... clearly and useless

I can't make out what you're trying to say.

 

[Africaner]

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European. You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them. This is how people are. I will accept you as my friend. I will sit with you at my table and share my last piece of bread with you. I am thankfull that you bothered to learn my language. I am happy that you are part of my community. But you will never be part of my ethnicity. Never. It is not because I don't want you too but because you simply are not. Some Africans do not get this point and there is where the problem starts. Some Africans are proud to be African and some not. The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

Us Africans are on the one hand very close to our culture but on the other, some of us will embrace the western culture in a heartbeat. You do indeed generalize a bit but all in all you have a very valid point. Young African people care less and less about their old culture. Some do see it as too primitive while others simply do not bother with it at all and yet others wish it never existed because it embarrasses them. Yes, this is the sad truth. Oh and please forgive Knyro, he is a nice chap but you caught him with his pants down regarding that coconut thing and had to say something

 

[Knyro]

Us Africans are on the one hand very close to our culture but on the other, some of us will embrace the western culture in a heartbeat. You do indeed generalize a bit but all in all you have a very valid point. Young African people care less and less about their old culture. Some do see it as too primitive while others simply do not bother with it at all and yet others wish it never existed because it embarrasses them. Yes, this is the sad truth. Oh and please forgive Knyro, he is a nice chap but you caught him with his pants down regarding that coconut thing and had to say something

Did you even read my posts?

 

[Africaner]

Did you even read my posts?

Which one? The coconut one or your answer to Intel? Jokes aside. I did read the entire tread and you too have a point but I honestly think you should read more the lines and less the in-between. Be more like Mandela and less like Malema. But that's just me. He gave his explanation to the coconut issue. He even said there might be other explanations too. You are not offended to be called a coconut but seem to be offended by his post. I on the other hand, am exactly the opposite. Now he can see, not all Africans are the same. Peace

 

[Azbubu]

But Africaner but :erm: I thought...oh never mind

 

[Knyro]

Which one? The coconut one or your answer to Intel? Jokes aside. I did read the entire tread and you too have a point but I honestly think you should read more the lines and less the in-between. Be more like Mandela and less like Malema. But that's just me. He gave his explanation to the coconut issue. He even said there might be other explanations too. You are not offended to be called a coconut but seem to be offended by his post. I on the other hand, am exactly the opposite. Now he can see, not all Africans are the same. Peace

I'm giving him my point of view, I'm not offended at all (can't be in this section unless you want to have a stroke).

But Africaner but :erm: I thought...oh never mind

So did I

 

[STS]

Unfortunately so do I. What black South Africans DO NOT realise is - white people are very sensitive and proud when it comes to heritage, language, cultural values, etc. They do not seem to understand that by simply speaking some European language you are not European. You are still who you are. In Europe, even small ethnic groups stand their ground and are very proud to be what they are. This is the biggest issue the European union has. The people do not want to become "one". Africans on the other hand are ashamed of their culture. They have a identity crisis. And even worse - it looks like no other culture wants them. This is how people are. I will accept you as my friend. I will sit with you at my table and share my last piece of bread with you. I am thankfull that you bothered to learn my language. I am happy that you are part of my community. But you will never be part of my ethnicity. Never. It is not because I don't want you too but because you simply are not. Some Africans do not get this point and there is where the problem starts. Some Africans are proud to be African and some not. The term 'coconut' is a symptom of a much bigger issue. And now - I see, some Africans in here like to be called coconuts? WTF That alone says a lot about ones mentality.

they are?

i'm as white as snow and i don't give two fanny farts

 

[purpleonlineadmin]

The coconut argument. To a certain extent I agree with both sides, but I'm more inclined to argue that Africans shouldn't assimilate themselves to another culture, but at the same time not remain stagnant with an old one. I don't "twang" when I speak English, but nor do I speak broken English, I have personally found my own personal accent not influenced by being pro black or more white. I'm not a fan of Mazibuko, but again that's from perception (I don't know her personally). I don't like Zuma too as my other posts here have shown.

I think as Africans (or a new generation of Africans) we need to find our own balance with influences or progressing forward, don't be stuck in "traditionalism" when in fact it harms our own progress forward, but also not assimilate within another culture and by doing so you think you are "smarter". Most black people perceive total assimilation as progress and then they are ashamed with who they really are (this is mostly seen with said black men or women dating exclusively one race, specifically white men/women, why not coloureds? indians? chinese if you so open minded). If you are black and do meet a woman outside your own culture, it's usually enough for you to introduce them to it, regardless of skin colour (what black ethnicities do always). Now if a Sotho marries a Zulu, and the Zulu embraces Sotho mannerisms, traditions, and vice verse happens, why can't someone who aligns with more "western" beliefs sacrifice their traditions totally? Black people in general tend to be ashamed of who they are because they believe being more "white" opens more doors for you. Not an ideal thing to think up but it's just the reality of the world and even I have friends who think this way, it's either be extremely traditionalist or be extremely assimilated. Why can't we just find a balanced middle?

BTW I'm not into slaughtering for ancestors personally, but not because I don't respect it, I attend every family event and hold that sheep legs because thats my tradition and I understand how it fits into my life. SPCA (and anyone else) who feel I'm barbaric for being who I am "Tell PETA my mink is draggin’ on the floor". Once heard situations where a black lady (Uyanda Mbuli) wanted her son to get after school Zulu lessons. Now thats just wrong, because she is 1. Black 2. Zulu 3. Should be teaching her own kids her own values, beliefs, language and traditions before teaching her someone else's period.

 

[Azbubu]

BTW I'm not into slaughtering for ancestors personally, but not because I don't respect it, I attend every family event and hold that sheep legs because thats my tradition and I understand how it fits into my life. SPCA (and anyone else) who feel I'm barbaric for being who I am "Tell PETA my mink is draggin’ on the floor". Once heard situations where a black lady (Uyanda Mbuli) wanted her son to get after school Zulu lessons. Now thats just wrong, because she is 1. Black 2. Zulu 3. Should be teaching her own kids her own values, beliefs, language and traditions before teaching her someone else's period.

Yes but Uyanda is a coconut of note!
She's the black Lisa Kudrow.

 

[purpleonlineadmin]

Yes but Uyanda is a coconut of note!
She's the black Lisa Kudrow.

LMFAO ROFL #Classic

 

[OrbitalDawn]

they are?

i'm as white as snow and i don't give two fanny farts

Yeah, I couldn't give a toss either.

Yes but Uyanda is a coconut of note!
She's the black Lisa Kudrow.

Cannot unsee!