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Honestly I have no problem with telkom putting some kind of cap on local access BUT a cap in the region of 15 to 30 gb should stop most heavy abuse...
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Are you abusing your ADSL line?
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Yah agreed - not some insane little cap, 30GB is the soft-cap norm in the UK for companies like Tiscali, Virgin etc. and after that cap is hit the 64k throttle come into effect. Having said that - the price would have to be restructured if indeed Telkom does do that.telkomsuig said:
1GB/day is pleeeeeeenty.. and no one doesn't *have* to download linux distro's with your connection, u can order them for cheap from many places like www.estart.co.za for example.. cheap cheap, much more cost effective than using ADSL.
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I will certainly like a 30GB cap. 2h/night gaming + 2h web browsing and 2h listening to online radio 
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See my problem with saying that is what happens when 1gb a day isnt adequate. Times change as do peoples requirements. ATM there is an inadequate 3gb monthly cap that Telskum has not seen fit to increase in the slightest. Why must we go crawling again when the day comes when that 1gb also fails to suffice?MaD said:
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If MTN
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offered an uncapped - or even 10GB - service for, lets say, R300 a month, I would not use anything else... even at GPRS speeds. It's obviously not anyone's ambition to capture the market... just amble on with our little client base... a little off the topic i know, but it illustrates the ultimate point is not really speed (or even cap for that matter)... it's buck per meg that counts! If we paid 5-10c per meg, then i could live with a 3gig cap - those that need more can just buy more... because it would be affordable... The SP's can't say they would be down on profit... they would be up on turnover - but then that would mean more jobs, and we know how telkom feel about that one!
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offered an uncapped - or even 10GB - service for, lets say, R300 a month, I would not use anything else... even at GPRS speeds. It's obviously not anyone's ambition to capture the market... just amble on with our little client base... a little off the topic i know, but it illustrates the ultimate point is not really speed (or even cap for that matter)... it's buck per meg that counts! If we paid 5-10c per meg, then i could live with a 3gig cap - those that need more can just buy more... because it would be affordable... The SP's can't say they would be down on profit... they would be up on turnover - but then that would mean more jobs, and we know how telkom feel about that one!
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onionpeel said:
I really don't understand your approach. Do I get you right? I buy a fully fledged service, pay a large amount of money for it, but I am not allowed to use it to its fullest capacity? e.g. I rent a car with unlimited mileage, but I use it only every second day.....
Do I missed lessons in economy?
Im on 25Gigs for the month so I guess that makes me one of the people you desribed in your thread topic. I also got my account today R800 without my Isp costs. Im still busy paying the installation,modem and service costs so yeah I'll download even more useless stuff now to make me feel better
if I have a 64k leased line and download 20gig - is it abuse?
if I have a 128k leased line and download 40gig - is it abuse?
If I have a car that can go 120km an hour and drive on a freeway that has a speedlimit of 120 and i drive all day. Is it abuse of the road - ok maybe a bad analogy
if telkom's network is getting saturated then they must upgrade it - oh maybe they cant afford it they only made a 4.5bn profit last year.
the useage on Telkom's network is probably increasing by the day for many reasons. The internet is becoming more popular and South African's are getting a taste of so called broadband - 192k broadband pfft
and telkom is getting more customers - but i guess if one gets more customers there is no reason to increase your infrustructure to accomadate them - we should rather downsize. get rid of staff that makes more sense!
Telkom does not want to make sense they want to make mega bucks. I'm fine with people making money, just use Integrity.
oh and maybe somthing like a 3 - 5 - 10gig cap on international traffic only and not local traffic counting to the cap would be workable but i guess that's starting to make sense
if I have a 128k leased line and download 40gig - is it abuse?
If I have a car that can go 120km an hour and drive on a freeway that has a speedlimit of 120 and i drive all day. Is it abuse of the road - ok maybe a bad analogy
if telkom's network is getting saturated then they must upgrade it - oh maybe they cant afford it they only made a 4.5bn profit last year.
the useage on Telkom's network is probably increasing by the day for many reasons. The internet is becoming more popular and South African's are getting a taste of so called broadband - 192k broadband pfft
and telkom is getting more customers - but i guess if one gets more customers there is no reason to increase your infrustructure to accomadate them - we should rather downsize. get rid of staff that makes more sense!
Telkom does not want to make sense they want to make mega bucks. I'm fine with people making money, just use Integrity.
oh and maybe somthing like a 3 - 5 - 10gig cap on international traffic only and not local traffic counting to the cap would be workable but i guess that's starting to make sense
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You have still not responded to my original post Onionpeel.
While the bandwidth available internal to Telkom's ATM network is not unlimited it is easily upgradeable and it remains a fixed cost for maintenance, the usage of the network does not impact on those maintenance costs.
When you purchase electricity, do you purchase 220 Volt supply but you can only really use 190 Volts?
Correct, what they do anticipate is that some users will utilise 100% of available bandwidth and others will not. If they fail to understand their target market then that is their problem not their customers
That statement is rather inflammatory, let's rather call them users who's opinion on fair usage differs from yours. What was it, "Play the ball, not the man"
How many times must it be explained to you that local bandwidth is not a finite resource like fresh water or fish?
It's starting to sound like this is more of a moral issue to you than a technical one. If someone wants to get smashed at a pub that is surely their own business, if you don't like drunk people stop hanging out at pubs (now that is a proper analogy).
So because you have a requirement for international bandwidth throughout the month and are therefore unable to maximise the usage of your line you would like everyone else to be restricted in a similar fashion? The proper solution to this issue would be for Telkom to properly implement an international cap on only international usage. But that isn't what they're trying to do, they're trying to sell multiple accounts.
Please respond this time.
While the bandwidth available internal to Telkom's ATM network is not unlimited it is easily upgradeable and it remains a fixed cost for maintenance, the usage of the network does not impact on those maintenance costs.
When you purchase electricity, do you purchase 220 Volt supply but you can only really use 190 Volts?
Correct, what they do anticipate is that some users will utilise 100% of available bandwidth and others will not. If they fail to understand their target market then that is their problem not their customers
That statement is rather inflammatory, let's rather call them users who's opinion on fair usage differs from yours. What was it, "Play the ball, not the man"
How many times must it be explained to you that local bandwidth is not a finite resource like fresh water or fish?
It's starting to sound like this is more of a moral issue to you than a technical one. If someone wants to get smashed at a pub that is surely their own business, if you don't like drunk people stop hanging out at pubs (now that is a proper analogy).
So because you have a requirement for international bandwidth throughout the month and are therefore unable to maximise the usage of your line you would like everyone else to be restricted in a similar fashion? The proper solution to this issue would be for Telkom to properly implement an international cap on only international usage. But that isn't what they're trying to do, they're trying to sell multiple accounts.
Please respond this time.
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spamtheman, thats excellent!!!
I don't see, why we should refrain ourself from using something which we pay a huge amount of money for it. If bandwith would have being given free to us, then I could understand.
I am not stepping back just to please my ISP or Telkom and make them earn even more money.
I pay, so I take what I can!!
I don't see, why we should refrain ourself from using something which we pay a huge amount of money for it. If bandwith would have being given free to us, then I could understand.
I am not stepping back just to please my ISP or Telkom and make them earn even more money.
I pay, so I take what I can!!
Don't forget, the money you pay is not for a 512K 24/7 connection, you are paying for a 512K contended service that runs 24/7, with a potential contention ratio of 50:1 (lets say, I think Telkom runs it at 50:1), that's 10.24K that you are *actually* paying for, which is approximately 1.28KB/s that you are being guaranteed for whatever cost you are paying (dependent on whether the contention ratio is higher or lower than 50:1 of course). At 1.28KB/s you are therefore paying for 1.28*(60*60*24*30)KB per month (which is 3317760KB or 3240MB or 3.16GB).
To think that you are paying that amount for a full 512K service that runs 24/7 and you should therefore be allowed to use up to 200+GB if you so wish is short-sighted, because you aren't, the small amount of users who do excessive usage have to be subsidised by a large amount of low usage users (at 300GB for example, you need about 100 users doing almost nothing on their lines to be able to pay for that one person's excessive usage). Is bandwidth limitless, no, it isn't, in fact, in a South African context it is an extremely limited resource due to the way in which it's priced (ISP's pay for both usage per MB and for the links themselves). Naturally Telkom is merely paying itself in the end, but other ISP's don't have that luxury.
Also, like it or not, technologies such as P2P (BitTorrent and the like) do totally stuff up your Quality of Service as it effectively destroys contention ratios, eating into the bandwidth that other users in his block should be able to use as well, for example 50 people are using 512K, one of the users is using BitTorrent, the other 49 are not, that user could be using 256K up to the entire 512K just for himself (due to the synchronous nature of BitTorrent), so what happens to the other 49? They have to now start eating into the bandwidth that should be available for another 50 users, and so on and so forth, to a point where a small minority of BitTorrent users (or any other P2P app for that matter, I use BT because it's the most - or becoming the most - prevalent) are suffocating the link, getting great speeds and the rest of the network appears to come to a screeching halt for those people who want to use the internet for other things (as is what was happening to UUNet).
These things have to be shaped and limited, it's just good network practice, regardless of whether you like it or not (I too wish I could have unlimited bandwidth), you aren't paying for that, you're paying for 1.28KB/s, if you want more you have to pay more (and substantially more at that).
To think that you are paying that amount for a full 512K service that runs 24/7 and you should therefore be allowed to use up to 200+GB if you so wish is short-sighted, because you aren't, the small amount of users who do excessive usage have to be subsidised by a large amount of low usage users (at 300GB for example, you need about 100 users doing almost nothing on their lines to be able to pay for that one person's excessive usage). Is bandwidth limitless, no, it isn't, in fact, in a South African context it is an extremely limited resource due to the way in which it's priced (ISP's pay for both usage per MB and for the links themselves). Naturally Telkom is merely paying itself in the end, but other ISP's don't have that luxury.
Also, like it or not, technologies such as P2P (BitTorrent and the like) do totally stuff up your Quality of Service as it effectively destroys contention ratios, eating into the bandwidth that other users in his block should be able to use as well, for example 50 people are using 512K, one of the users is using BitTorrent, the other 49 are not, that user could be using 256K up to the entire 512K just for himself (due to the synchronous nature of BitTorrent), so what happens to the other 49? They have to now start eating into the bandwidth that should be available for another 50 users, and so on and so forth, to a point where a small minority of BitTorrent users (or any other P2P app for that matter, I use BT because it's the most - or becoming the most - prevalent) are suffocating the link, getting great speeds and the rest of the network appears to come to a screeching halt for those people who want to use the internet for other things (as is what was happening to UUNet).
These things have to be shaped and limited, it's just good network practice, regardless of whether you like it or not (I too wish I could have unlimited bandwidth), you aren't paying for that, you're paying for 1.28KB/s, if you want more you have to pay more (and substantially more at that).
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I just wonder if we are on an Island here. Everybody in SA is complaining about too little bandwith available. SA is a developped country, but his behavior when it comes to ADSL is that of a banana republic.
Bandwith has become so cheap in the rest of the world, that even free 768/128 uncapped-unshaped offers being made, only when you subsrcibe a two year landline contract. And a 6MB connection costs 39.95 Euro, of course unlimited.
But this is not the point alone. The point is that SA users gets constantly cheated and lied to, when it comes to sell services. What does a normal user know about contention ratio, etc. He thinks he is buying a 512 connection, but in reality?
btw.Warichard, has anybody managed to make 200+GB per month? The max. I ever reached was 70 GB down and up....
You talking about good network practise...I don't agree with you because out of 50 different German ISP's there are only two who are shaping....and in others countries it is a similar situation.
Bandwith has become so cheap in the rest of the world, that even free 768/128 uncapped-unshaped offers being made, only when you subsrcibe a two year landline contract. And a 6MB connection costs 39.95 Euro, of course unlimited.
But this is not the point alone. The point is that SA users gets constantly cheated and lied to, when it comes to sell services. What does a normal user know about contention ratio, etc. He thinks he is buying a 512 connection, but in reality?
btw.Warichard, has anybody managed to make 200+GB per month? The max. I ever reached was 70 GB down and up....
You talking about good network practise...I don't agree with you because out of 50 different German ISP's there are only two who are shaping....and in others countries it is a similar situation.