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Are you considering emigration?
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Rambob! You're back! Welcome back, I didn't know the MyBB overlords were going to allow that.
Got headhunted and moved to the uk and never looked back.
even though weather is not great, i look at my family back in SA struggling with load shedding and crime and feel happy here.
The freedom my Kids have to play freely in parks etc here is something you cant describe until you experience it.
even though weather is not great, i look at my family back in SA struggling with load shedding and crime and feel happy here.
The freedom my Kids have to play freely in parks etc here is something you cant describe until you experience it.
Given that once again I was disingenuously banned for an obvious joke while others saying worse things were not.... we will see how long my stay is this time.
Dave
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It's been so long I don't remember the circumstances, what was the joke?
Tman*
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I have family living in 'Nam.
Just note that the economy is extremely small and thus work is scarce. Also, Namibia is VERY reliant
on SA for imports, including electricity (although there is no loadshedding in 'Nam ever - go figure). If/when costs increase in SA, Namibia follows suit.
I think its a great option if you are self reliant, or can work full remote.
dualmeister
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Do you like sand
Actually I do, love it!Do you like sand
This would be our option. When I am farmed out to pasture, this is an option.
My lilly white arse was channeling my inner black marxist racist.
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D7 visa to Portugal guys. Great weather, affordable and plenty of work to go around especially in the IT and finance sector
Pavan
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Throwing my 2c in 
First left SA in 2015. Moved to London (UK) with wife. Enjoyed the city life and adapted pretty quickly to the self-sufficient lifestyle there. However, when kids came along, life became a lot more demanding and costly. Nevertheless, loved it and enjoyed the outdoors albeit in the cold weather. Overall, expensive city to live in, but if you make decent tom, you can save, buy a place, and build a life quite comfortably - just not to the expansive SA standards we generally have. Safety, travel options, international community, things to do, etc. are just amazing... Spent just under 4 years there.
Then moved back to Africa, to Tanzania, for around 2 years. What an amazing place. Granted, on a high paying expat gig. Friendly, caring people. Hot weather almost throughout the year, and epic local cuisine. Very safe (barring the threat of malaria), and lots of open space, beautiful beaches (off shore) and a very welcoming and friendly community in general. Probably my favourite place to live in the world now.
During Covid, we moved back to SA (JHB) for a new gig. Spent just under 2 years there. Was sad to see how quickly it had deteriorated from the city that I thoroughly enjoyed as a new grad/professional a decade or so ago. A few friends were left, but most had moved on to other parts of the world, which made things a bit worse. It was quite sad to be surrounded by crime again, on the news and hearing from friends and family. Infrastructure challenges are well known, so I won't go into that. Generally, the cost of living seemed far higher than I remembered it being - granted, almost a decade had past. It also sucked being around people (who I respect), constantly complaining about the country and where they lived. The negativity can be quite draining. However, the worst part was having to change my daughter's way of life - she went from being completely care free (uk, tanzania) to being pretty much house bound for most of the time, outside of school hours and lunches with us. That being said, I did braai like a beast and the meat is the best on planet earth (for my tastebuds).
Late last year, we had enough, and with the company, moved over to Dubai. London was an option again, but now with two kids, we decided to go for something a bit easier. We arrived at the tail end of summer - the heat was intense. Really intense. Going outside was like being in a furnace at times! But by October, this had passed, and Dubai became an amazing place to live... lifestyle is extraordinary, nice beaches, affordable domestic labour, tons of expats out here, easy to travel around and abroad, insanely safe and secure, and as everyone knows, you earn a ton. For context, I'm in the same role I was in SA, but earning 7-8x more. School for kids and housing is paid for too - standard condition, nothing special from my company. For now, I'm saving a ton of cash and considering offloading some investments to secure a passport by investment as a backup plan for the family. However, summer will come along again by June, and then I'll have to see how life goes... and not forgetting, work and residence visa's are easy to get here (even if you leave your employer, get fired, etc. you can easily and cheaply secure a work visa as a 'consultant'), but citizenship is not an option....
Overall, for us, SA is no longer an option. Dubai is temporary, for how long, who knows...
First left SA in 2015. Moved to London (UK) with wife. Enjoyed the city life and adapted pretty quickly to the self-sufficient lifestyle there. However, when kids came along, life became a lot more demanding and costly. Nevertheless, loved it and enjoyed the outdoors albeit in the cold weather. Overall, expensive city to live in, but if you make decent tom, you can save, buy a place, and build a life quite comfortably - just not to the expansive SA standards we generally have. Safety, travel options, international community, things to do, etc. are just amazing... Spent just under 4 years there.
Then moved back to Africa, to Tanzania, for around 2 years. What an amazing place. Granted, on a high paying expat gig. Friendly, caring people. Hot weather almost throughout the year, and epic local cuisine. Very safe (barring the threat of malaria), and lots of open space, beautiful beaches (off shore) and a very welcoming and friendly community in general. Probably my favourite place to live in the world now.
During Covid, we moved back to SA (JHB) for a new gig. Spent just under 2 years there. Was sad to see how quickly it had deteriorated from the city that I thoroughly enjoyed as a new grad/professional a decade or so ago. A few friends were left, but most had moved on to other parts of the world, which made things a bit worse. It was quite sad to be surrounded by crime again, on the news and hearing from friends and family. Infrastructure challenges are well known, so I won't go into that. Generally, the cost of living seemed far higher than I remembered it being - granted, almost a decade had past. It also sucked being around people (who I respect), constantly complaining about the country and where they lived. The negativity can be quite draining. However, the worst part was having to change my daughter's way of life - she went from being completely care free (uk, tanzania) to being pretty much house bound for most of the time, outside of school hours and lunches with us. That being said, I did braai like a beast and the meat is the best on planet earth (for my tastebuds).
Late last year, we had enough, and with the company, moved over to Dubai. London was an option again, but now with two kids, we decided to go for something a bit easier. We arrived at the tail end of summer - the heat was intense. Really intense. Going outside was like being in a furnace at times! But by October, this had passed, and Dubai became an amazing place to live... lifestyle is extraordinary, nice beaches, affordable domestic labour, tons of expats out here, easy to travel around and abroad, insanely safe and secure, and as everyone knows, you earn a ton. For context, I'm in the same role I was in SA, but earning 7-8x more. School for kids and housing is paid for too - standard condition, nothing special from my company. For now, I'm saving a ton of cash and considering offloading some investments to secure a passport by investment as a backup plan for the family. However, summer will come along again by June, and then I'll have to see how life goes... and not forgetting, work and residence visa's are easy to get here (even if you leave your employer, get fired, etc. you can easily and cheaply secure a work visa as a 'consultant'), but citizenship is not an option....
Overall, for us, SA is no longer an option. Dubai is temporary, for how long, who knows...
D7 only allows for passive income (which includes remote work). It does not permit the holder to seek employment in Portugal.
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I'd leave tomorrow i hate this place its beautiful and all but i think we past the tipping point and there is no hope left, too much corruption, uneducated people (i don't blame them) who believe all the cANCer that they get told, shrinking tax base, corrupt government policies this place is becoming more and more like Zimbabwe sadly...
My employer treats me like utter s*** but what can i do? If i resign i will be jobless and won't find a job easy... unemployment is like 50% basically... nah boet i'd jump ship if i can, all my friends my age are leaving/have left
Some lovely fellow tried to break into our place at 2am on Saturday night during loadshedding as well
My employer treats me like utter s*** but what can i do? If i resign i will be jobless and won't find a job easy... unemployment is like 50% basically... nah boet i'd jump ship if i can, all my friends my age are leaving/have left
Some lovely fellow tried to break into our place at 2am on Saturday night during loadshedding as well
If we were to leave some places in the European Union would be the first choice. Otherwise the UK is an easy option once the last of the children are out of school.
Wouldn't even consider anywhere in Asia or the Middle East. I'd even go to New Zealand before I'd touch anywhere in those regions.
I'm not sure where the news articles get their numbers for reductions in the number of farms or farmers. I am not going to believe numbers produced by the farmers or their organisations without independent verification.
Wouldn't even consider anywhere in Asia or the Middle East. I'd even go to New Zealand before I'd touch anywhere in those regions.
Sounds like a variation on people complaining that their government is authoritarian for not allowing their business to pollute at will.These specific ones are quite scary to read
Why Dutch farmers are protesting over emissions cuts
Farmers say proposals to cut livestock and reduce intensive farming unfairly target their industry.www.bbc.com
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Tractors roll into Brussels in farmer protest over plans to limit nitrogen emissions
Farmers from Belgium's northern region of Flanders drove thousands of tractors into Brussels on Friday in a protest against a new regional government plan to limit nitrogen emissions.www.reuters.com
This begs the question, how far will they push in the name of climate, and at what cost?
All I'm saying is some first world governments seem to be a little too authoritarian for my taste, and I will likely not have the same freedom there as I have here.
I'm not sure where the news articles get their numbers for reductions in the number of farms or farmers. I am not going to believe numbers produced by the farmers or their organisations without independent verification.
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We did, kids are doing fine. We have tutors for them to catch up on the curriculum but they are doing well and teachers are all happy with their progress and are incredibly helpful. Kids are very happy too which is what really matters.
The whole process of moving is pretty heavy in general but we’ve managed just fine and if anything are a little stronger for it.
I'd do it as long as I can put them into the same sort of school.
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Ugh I definitely do have my not so bright moments..... travel SEMI permanently, 99% of the time.... will have to return for licence renewals, passport renewals, family visits, etc.....
We did and kids were fine with the transition and also have friends with kids in high school and all went fine for them too
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Are you born in SAThrowing my 2c in
First left SA in 2015. Moved to London (UK) with wife. Enjoyed the city life and adapted pretty quickly to the self-sufficient lifestyle there. However, when kids came along, life became a lot more demanding and costly. Nevertheless, loved it and enjoyed the outdoors albeit in the cold weather. Overall, expensive city to live in, but if you make decent tom, you can save, buy a place, and build a life quite comfortably - just not to the expansive SA standards we generally have. Safety, travel options, international community, things to do, etc. are just amazing... Spent just under 4 years there.
Then moved back to Africa, to Tanzania, for around 2 years. What an amazing place. Granted, on a high paying expat gig. Friendly, caring people. Hot weather almost throughout the year, and epic local cuisine. Very safe (barring the threat of malaria), and lots of open space, beautiful beaches (off shore) and a very welcoming and friendly community in general. Probably my favourite place to live in the world now.
During Covid, we moved back to SA (JHB) for a new gig. Spent just under 2 years there. Was sad to see how quickly it had deteriorated from the city that I thoroughly enjoyed as a new grad/professional a decade or so ago. A few friends were left, but most had moved on to other parts of the world, which made things a bit worse. It was quite sad to be surrounded by crime again, on the news and hearing from friends and family. Infrastructure challenges are well known, so I won't go into that. Generally, the cost of living seemed far higher than I remembered it being - granted, almost a decade had past. It also sucked being around people (who I respect), constantly complaining about the country and where they lived. The negativity can be quite draining. However, the worst part was having to change my daughter's way of life - she went from being completely care free (uk, tanzania) to being pretty much house bound for most of the time, outside of school hours and lunches with us. That being said, I did braai like a beast and the meat is the best on planet earth (for my tastebuds).
Late last year, we had enough, and with the company, moved over to Dubai. London was an option again, but now with two kids, we decided to go for something a bit easier. We arrived at the tail end of summer - the heat was intense. Really intense. Going outside was like being in a furnace at times! But by October, this had passed, and Dubai became an amazing place to live... lifestyle is extraordinary, nice beaches, affordable domestic labour, tons of expats out here, easy to travel around and abroad, insanely safe and secure, and as everyone knows, you earn a ton. For context, I'm in the same role I was in SA, but earning 7-8x more. School for kids and housing is paid for too - standard condition, nothing special from my company. For now, I'm saving a ton of cash and considering offloading some investments to secure a passport by investment as a backup plan for the family. However, summer will come along again by June, and then I'll have to see how life goes... and not forgetting, work and residence visa's are easy to get here (even if you leave your employer, get fired, etc. you can easily and cheaply secure a work visa as a 'consultant'), but citizenship is not an option....
Overall, for us, SA is no longer an option. Dubai is temporary, for how long, who knows...