Are you marching on Friday?

[OrbitalDawn]

Not really, we've seen the same sort of attitude when it comes to voting. Bitch and moan about things online, but sit and do nothing when an opportunity presents itself...

lol, yep. South Africans can be an odd bunch. Spittle flies gleefully in the media, on Facebook, WhatsApp and MyBB but some would rather boycott Spur or whine about other people not protesting when they want to than take part in united mass action.

Look at South Korea and their reaction to their corrupt president as a counter example. Do we pretend none of those protesters had jobs or 'better things to do because it won't make a difference anyway'?

 

[LazyLion]

lol, yep. South Africans can be an odd bunch. Spittle flies gleefully in the media, on Facebook, WhatsApp and MyBB but some would rather boycott Spur or whine about other people not protesting when they want to than take part in united mass action.

Look at South Korea and their reaction to their corrupt president as a counter example. Do we pretend none of those protesters had jobs or 'better things to do because it won't make a difference anyway'?

I can guarantee you those protests were WAY better organised than our fake whatsapp social media message.

 

[Weblord]

No. Too much interested and vested parties in the current SA mess. Not only Zuma. This whole thing is way much bigger than what anyone currently realizes.

I see the government already knew we were being downgraded to junk on Friday. Yet, despite this they said nothing. Yesterday they actually confirmed that there would be no downgrade over a single individual. Despite this, last night SA were junk.

This tells me that S&P and the ANC were in talks about bribes. Another vested party. In all likelihood the ANC was unable to pay the bribe last night, hence the downgrade.

 

[Cius]

I have to work and am ambivalent about if a protest would work or not. The only way zuma goes is if ANC MP's vote against him. Marching on Luthuli house me thinks will cause the ANC to close ranks. It could have the opposite effect I suppose but I don't know.

My idea that I am passing up the line to my bosses at the big corporate where I work is how about getting the CEO initiative to club together and fire a warning shot across the bows of government along the lines of a tax revolt. All they need to do is withhold tax for 30 days, so pay, but pay 30 days late. This applies to company tax and employee tax. Government is completely dependant on these taxes and would be in massive trouble financially with even a small delay. If private business collectively did something like that it would shake the ANC to its core. Much more so than a march. The ANC is very used to people protesting against them and ignoring them. They can't however function without our money as they generate little to none themselves.

 

[maumau]

I can guarantee you those protests were WAY better organised than our fake whatsapp social media message.

Also concerns me that it's "organised" via social media, I mean, really :wtf:

Although we all know the DA are involved.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

This tells me that S&P and the ANC were in talks about bribes. Another vested party. In all likelihood the ANC was unable to pay the bribe last night, hence the downgrade.

That's a bit of a reach Koosi...

 

[The_Assimilator]

Again, if insults are what you need to bring across your points, you're probably doing it wrong. I'm not ignorant or stupid, I just came to a different decision to you given the information I had at the time.

All I have to say is, good f**king luck. Because unless you're one of the 1%, you're gonna need it.

lol, yep. South Africans can be an odd bunch. Spittle flies gleefully in the media, on Facebook, WhatsApp and MyBB but some would rather boycott Spur or whine about other people not protesting when they want to than take part in united mass action.

Look at South Korea and their reaction to their corrupt president as a counter example. Do we pretend none of those protesters had jobs or 'better things to do because it won't make a difference anyway'?

Protests in South Korea, Ukraine, etc. had an effect because the majority of the country was protesting and/or supporting the protesters.

That isn't the case in SA, hence why it can only fail here.

 

[DreamKing]

if you are not going to burn the luthuli house down then nothing will happen.


you must declare war against the evil anc, not zuma.

 

[Weblord]

That's a bit of a reach Koosi...

Nope, I think that is exactly what happened.

How else did we manage to fight off all those previous decisions where we already should have been junk.

I know I am right. It will come out soon. It is all about money.

 

[Knyro]

lol, yep. South Africans can be an odd bunch. Spittle flies gleefully in the media, on Facebook, WhatsApp and MyBB but some would rather boycott Spur or whine about other people not protesting when they want to than take part in united mass action.

Look at South Korea and their reaction to their corrupt president as a counter example. Do we pretend none of those protesters had jobs or 'better things to do because it won't make a difference anyway'?

To be fair they took their sweet time about it too. That kind of behaviour in SK was pretty much normal, look up how many business leaders got presidential pardons over the years because they were "important for economic development". South Koreans turned a blind eye to blatant corruption for decades because they were still growing fast economically.

Only when the economy and social mobility stalled and started biting the common man directly did they decide to take action.

 

[Unhappy1]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's just gonna do what he thinks best anyway. He has students to teach. He's not gonna let the ones who want to learn down.
And you have provided absolutely nothing by way of alternative. Not surprisingly.

You mean your friend has provided absolutely nothing by way of alternative except psychobabble.

 

[DreamKing]

lol, yep. South Africans can be an odd bunch. Spittle flies gleefully in the media, on Facebook, WhatsApp and MyBB but some would rather boycott Spur or whine about other people not protesting when they want to than take part in united mass action.

Look at South Korea and their reaction to their corrupt president as a counter example. Do we pretend none of those protesters had jobs or 'better things to do because it won't make a difference anyway'?

look at south korea, their cc can dismiss the president ....

 

[OrbitalDawn]

To be fair they took their sweet time about it too. That kind of behaviour in SK was pretty much normal, look up how many business leaders got presidential pardons over the years because they were "important for economic development". South Koreans turned a blind eye to blatant corruption for decades because they were still growing fast economically.

Only when the economy and social mobility stalled and started biting the common man directly did they decide to take action.

True, as is mostly the case in similar situations elsewhere. Economic welfare is ever the keystone. Which is part of what makes SA's disunity all the sadder.

 

[maumau]

He still has some time to sell off the country. The aim is to reduce the time he has so it can be reversed

From your lips to god's ears

 

[Eskimos]

No. I get paid per hour, so no, I'm not losing that income.

I get why people say stuff like this and its understandable. But they shouldn't complain about Zuma, the ANC or where the country is heading because they're not willing to sacrifice even a little to try change something that will probably benefit them and the whole country much more.

Will a single march cause Zuma to resign or be impeached? Probably not but it builds pressure on the ANC to act and the more pressure, the more likely they are to act. If it doesn't work out then at least you've tried to make the country better instead of sitting on the sidelines.

I will be marching. If my employer does not allow it, i will take a day off with annual leave

This is what I don't get; why aren't more people willing to do this. I get that some employers are going to make it difficult for you to take the day off but most of my friends here in JHB have said that their bosses aren't opposed to them marching, if they're willing to take leave, work overtime over the next couple of days etc.

If people try hard enough, I think the majority could make a plan. If you still can't get the day to march then at least you've tried and no one (including yourself) can fault you for it.

 

[Grubscrew]

Wow, some limp wristed can't afford to take the day off, but can afford to stand in a queue two years from now for toilet paper coupons. I will have my voice heard on Friday.

 

[LazyLion]

You mean your friend has provided absolutely nothing by way of alternative except psychobabble.

Going to work is not "an alternative" it's what we do... every day. We are the engine that keeps this country running. Shut it down for too long and you may just never start it up again.
Do you even have a job?

 

[Moosedrool]

I get why people say stuff like this and its understandable. But they shouldn't complain about Zuma, the ANC or where the country is heading because they're not willing to sacrifice even a little to try change something that will probably benefit them and the whole country much more.

Will a single march cause Zuma to resign or be impeached? Probably not but it builds pressure on the ANC to act and the more pressure, the more likely they are to act. If it doesn't work out then at least you've tried to make the country better instead of sitting on the sidelines.



This is what I don't get; why aren't more people willing to do this. I get that some employers are going to make it difficult for you to take the day off but most of my friends here in JHB have said that their bosses aren't opposed to them marching, if they're willing to take leave, work overtime over the next couple of days etc.

If people try hard enough, I think the majority could make a plan. If you still can't get the day to march then at least you've tried and no one (including yourself) can fault you for it.

Yeah no... certian things need to opperate. For many taking off is a no go. Do you like your money in your bank account? Well that is someone's responsibility. Or a plant or even powerplant not exploding causing a 2 week blackout? Yup also someone's responsibility.

Maybe in some jobs it's fine to just not do it for a day or something but for most it's not as simple as just taking leave.

 

[Grubscrew]

Yeah no... certian things need to opperate. For many taking off is a no go. Do you like your money in your bank account? Well that is someone's responsibility. Or a plant or even powerplant not exploding causing a 2 week blackout? Yup also someone's responsibility.

I think most people here respects that and understands that. But unfortunately people who don't do mission critical things just want an excuse not to do anything, but they are also the first ones who bitches next to the watercooler about Zuma this and Zuma that. If you can't march on Friday, then get the phone numbers of your local anc councillors and phone them to tell them that they are bunch of purses. Crap your friends out that buy at Sahara, or reads the new age.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Going to work is not "an alternative" it's what we do... every day. We are the engine that keeps this country running. Shut it down for too long and you may just never start it up again.
Do you even have a job?

Even if you can't take paid leave, if you can't afford to go without a day's pay then you're probably living beyond your means. Then you'd be right and these types of people can't afford to take the day off...