Article: BEE in engineering sector a problem: Motlanthe

Who cares, Julius already said they gonna nationalise the mines after the SWC ;)
 
He went on to say that much needed to be done in regards to both gender and race to ensure the country was better equipped to respond to global demands.
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This is the part I don't understand. How does the colour of your skin or your gender matter? How does this affect response to global demand?

Surely we need to get more South Africans involved in the formal economy instead of just focusing on making the economy demographically representative? Demographic representation is not a silver bullet for the problems our economy faces.
 
I feel they should focus more on educating the youth of the nation so that they will have the skills to move the economy forward. If all children can be equally educated (good education) then there will be no need for BEE crap. And people most suited will get the jobs. This will provide all students a fair playing field to compete for jobs and those willing to work hard will prospere, whether or not it represents the demorgraphic of the country is up to them.
 
It's about mapping your potential and then building on those "talents". The Bible taught us that.

Ol' Naas Botha recently did his whole family. I have mentioned the fantastic work done by Russian scientists. I always mention Lyall Watson and his books. He refs tons of Russian research. I read his Supernature at 16.

We need to accept our "talents". Then build them. ;)
 
There are those "super memory" courses, varieties of "antient" and modern mental enhancement programs...my mom showed me a book that allowed people to see again, simply "exercising" the eyes...The world is a beautiful place. I still get amazed at nature and it's forms.
 
Lightscribe said:
There are those "super memory" courses, varieties of "antient" and modern mental enhancement programs...my mom showed me a book that allowed people to see again, simply "exercising" the eyes...The world is a beautiful place. I still get amazed at nature and it's forms.
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Lightscribe I can't tell if you're joking or trolling. The nonsense you are describing can only be described as magic. Non-measurable, non-scientific and illogical. Where do you draw the line? - pixies, unicorns, voodoo, a million deities all in constant turmoil? How do you feel about the Greek and Roman gods? Interstellar mind travel between the stars?

And then you quote Lyle Watson - a fraud and quack of the Deepak Chopra variety.

"A book that allowed people to see again, simply "exercising" the eyes" -> Pure unadulterated horse manure. This kind of hope crushing, money making scam makes me so mad.

But I know you're only joking - you read Supernature at 16 - everyone knows 16 year olds can't read.
 
nakedpeanut said:
I feel they should focus more on educating the youth of the nation so that they will have the skills to move the economy forward. If all children can be equally educated (good education) then there will be no need for BEE crap. And people most suited will get the jobs. This will provide all students a fair playing field to compete for jobs and those willing to work hard will prospere, whether or not it represents the demorgraphic of the country is up to them.
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Before even considering quality education the labour act needs to be changed.

How can you expect quality education if teachers can go on strike whenever they want.

Socialism FTL!
 
Oh ya **** almost forgot about that!! It happens so offen with people striking you start to think it's normal!!
 
Black owned only made up one percent of the Engineering sector ? Are we even surprised?
Take a wild fuking guess why that is....
 
The title have two meanings:
1. BEE is a problem, and must be removed from Engineering companies.
2. BEE is a problem, there is not enough BEE companies, more should be "encouraged".

After reading the article, Motlanthe seems not to think in the direction of point 1.
 
Well, just looking at our extremely small number of mathematics and science matriculants and graduates, it's not difficult to see where the problem lies.

I spoke to a director at an engineering firm and he says it is extremely difficult to find good black engineers.

The problem starts at school level. More investment needs to be pumped into mathematics and science at grass root levels.
 
Nah, lets just do what we've been doing to other sectors, drop the standards dramatically, and then even lower for certain race groups. That way, we can have great demographic numbers, who cares if the engineers we produce aren't world class.
 
KillerX said:
Nah, lets just do what we've been doing to other sectors, drop the standards dramatically, and then even lower for certain race groups. That way, we can have great demographic numbers, who cares if the engineers we produce aren't world class.
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isn't this being done already ?
 
EtienneK said:
Well, just looking at our extremely small number of mathematics and science matriculants and graduates, it's not difficult to see where the problem lies.

I spoke to a director at an engineering firm and he says it is extremely difficult to find good black engineers.

The problem starts at school level. More investment needs to be pumped into mathematics and science at grass root levels.
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we don't need "education". according to BEE, The skills are going to "transfer". What you need to do?

Plug your head to a computer and download the skills from the internet. :D

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Moron noodle said:
Lightscribe I can't tell if you're joking or trolling. The nonsense you are describing can only be described as magic. Non-measurable, non-scientific and illogical. Where do you draw the line? - pixies, unicorns, voodoo, a million deities all in constant turmoil? How do you feel about the Greek and Roman gods? Interstellar mind travel between the stars?

And then you quote Lyle Watson - a fraud and quack of the Deepak Chopra variety.
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The things I mentioned are real. You may not believe that such mnemonic and other systems, that measure a variety of capabilities, work. Tough.

You have your opinion about Lyall Watson. I have mine.

"A book that allowed people to see again, simply "exercising" the eyes" -> Pure unadulterated horse manure. This kind of hope crushing, money making scam makes me so mad.
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There are some medical conditions that lead to blindness, but the person can "exercise" their eyes to restore vision. I'm not lying. My mom's not lying. I just phoned her about it. She cannot remember the name of the book. The book is quite old and my mom says the author's name is Bates. It was from the library in Strand.

But I know you're only joking - you read Supernature at 16 - everyone knows 16 year olds can't read.
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Yawn...
 
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And then you quote Lyle Watson - a fraud and quack of the Deepak Chopra variety.
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I beg your pardon? He was a scientist specialising in ‘Weird Science’. He determined that the Brussel Sprout was the most intelligent vegetable and also demonstrated how it got desensitised (calloused) to death. When he dropped eggs into boiling water nearby (thus ‘killing’ them), the most extreme reaction came from the Brussel Sprouts on the initial few. The strength of the reaction decreased the more eggs he ‘killed’. **Any resemblance between South African citizens and Brussel Sprouts is purely coincidental**. Vegetable evolution?

Experiment methodology.
He determined this by connecting-up various vegetables to a polygraph (lie detector) and measuring vegetable response when he dropped eggs into boiling water nearby (thus ‘killing’ them). The most extreme reaction came from Brussel Sprouts. We can deduce that the humble Brussel Sprout is the most civilized of the vegetables because it reacts the most strongly when life is destroyed. Treat it with respect.

Wiki may have something but a site (http://www.lyallwatson.com/New_Look/Home2.htm)
shows:

Born in South Africa, Watson had an early fascination for nature in the surrounding bush, learning from Zulu and !Kung bushmen. Watson attended boarding school at Rondebosch Boys School in Cape Town, and in 1958 earned degrees in botany and zoology before securing an apprenticeship in Palaentology under Raymond Dart, leading on to anthropological studies in Germany and the Netherlands. He has additional degrees in chemistry, geology, marine biology and ecology, indicating a broad range of interests. Watson earned a doctor of philosophy degree in ethology under Desmond Morris at the London Zoo.
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Proudly South African - http://www.lyallwatson.com/New_Look/Home2.htm

Born in South Africa, Watson had an early fascination for nature in the surrounding bush, learning from Zulu and !Kung bushmen. Watson attended boarding school at Rondebosch Boys School in Cape Town, and in 1958 earned degrees in botany and zoology before securing an apprenticeship in Palaentology under Raymond Dart, leading on to anthropological studies in Germany and the Netherlands. He has additional degrees in chemistry, geology, marine biology and ecology, indicating a broad range of interests. Watson earned a doctor of philosophy degree in ethology under Desmond Morris at the London Zoo.
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a company I know, gives training to bee candidates.
2 weeks long and they get 5 years experience.

They feed them with teaspoons, soft plastic ones.

they all work at the department called sitnet.
 
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