Article: Child shoots another in head

[Fudzy]

You mean jumping in slow motion, guns akimbo doesn't work?

I'm all for defending yourself and killing intruders but I see the problem with guns is that more often than not they are misused by both their owners and criminals targeting those owners.

 

[CyraxHB]

In which case he'd maybe hit one before the other shot him? Brave thinking that. Let's hope you're as willing to bet your life (and your family's lives) on that 2:1 chance.

Thats why I keep saying you only use the gun if its feasible.

Not even if he's a criminal, psychotic, depressed, bipolar or suffers from some other disorder? Gotcha.

No thats your opinion. I've stated the laws earlier which will keep guns in the right hands.

That's up to the cops, not me. Tell me, once you've armed the law-abiding people, how are you going to make sure you survive when a gun-wielding gang breaks into your home with the intent of slaughtering your family before you kill them?

No police in the world are capable of keeping guns away from criminals therefore it helps if people can protect themselves.

lol... Rebuke anything I said, please.

Regardless, no, I'm not a hippy, but thanks for the ad hominem and no, I don't think guns are evil. I think people are evil.

You're saying no one should be allowed to have a gun because you say so. Thats bull$hit. 99.9% of people who own legal guns in this country will never even point it at another person so are well within their rights to own them.

Tiny difference between someone who slaughters an animal because he has to, and someone who goes on a camping trip and shoots living creatures because it's just so darned fun.

Anyway, I'm a vegetarian, so the killing animals for survival thing doesn't hold much sway with me either.

lol, a hippy and vegetarian. Thats explains it all.

 

[CyraxHB]

If you have the option to defend yourself, you have the option to make a run for it, call for help, use a taser, use some form of self-defence if you're feeling heroic, smash his head in with a pot, whatever.

"Feasible to use a gun" just translates into, "I want to kill someone for threatening me."

I don't believe that's a decision an emotionally volatile person should make or that the average person should be turned into a "justified" murderer.

If you wake up with a gun in your face then obviously its not feasible to go for your gun.

But if you wake up to the sound of them breaking down your security gate then it is feasible to get your gun and either shoot them or find somewhere to hide and only shoot them if they find you.

Its common sense which you are refusing to understand.

 

[Lycanthrope]

You mean jumping in slow motion, guns akimbo doesn't work?

I'm all for defending yourself and killing intruders but I see the problem with guns is that more often than not they are misused by both their owners and criminals targeting those owners.

This is how I feel. Look, I know I'm giving off epic "hippy vibes" here, but I just don't feel the gun-ownership solves the problem. It causes more problems than it seems to solve.

Oh well, I think I've probably depleted my wealth of emotive rationale here for one evening.

This article just struck a chord: the kid didn't die because of a criminal, he died because of good intentions (a gun to protect our family) gone wrong. I don't hold the father responsible either, because a kid who wants it badly enough will find a way. Whether your safe key is on your car keys, whether you hid the key somewhere you'd never expect anyone to find it, kids are terribly observant.

It's one death that could've been avoided if average Joe over there wasn't permitted a gun. It's sad and needless. How can you blame the father for negligence when you said he could have a firearm, when your requirements for handing him his licence were met? Problem is symptomatic of our society, I feel.

Oh well... Night, everyone and thanks for the chat

 

[ponder]

This is very far from the truth and I blame the movies. Even if a person was to shoot another person, that person will in turn shoot you again long before he dies. People don't seem to get that. I had an argument with my dad about this the other day. 2 guys in a movie has guns raised at each other, dad says: "the person that shoots first will win. Why do they put their guns down in a stand off?" I mean seriously? Dad I love you to bits but you can be pretty stupid sometimes Person A shoots person B, person B doesn't just fall over dead... He will shoot A and they will be shooting each other killing both of them

Not always,

Headshot you are kaput but you better not miss, the other person would not even hear the shot.

 

[ponder]

Once again... You may exercise your choice.

But be under no illusion that 9 out of the 10 voices in my head say that I shouldn't drink anymore.

And if more people learned to RESPECT guns as opposed to FEAR and MISUNDERSTAND them... Then maybe Brittany Spears wouldn't have ventured into DUB STEP.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Thats why I keep saying you only use the gun if its feasible.

And if it isn't feasible, it's one more illegal gun.

Haven't we been here before?

No thats your opinion. I've stated the laws earlier which will keep guns in the right hands.

Then explain why the people I've mentioned before, to name a few, have guns.

No police in the world are capable of keeping guns away from criminals therefore it helps if people can protect themselves.

Which evidently they can't do with or without guns.

You're saying no one should be allowed to have a gun because you say so. Thats bull$hit. 99.9% of people who own legal guns in this country will never even point it at another person so are well within their rights to own them.

So 99.9% of people who own legal guns don't need the guns? Brilliant gem of logic right there.

lol, a hippy and vegetarian. Thats explains it all.

I'm surprised the discussion between us has lasted this long if all you're capable of doing is personal attacks. Childish and permitted to have a gun. Funny world, eh?

If you wake up with a gun in your face then obviously its not feasible to go for your gun.

But if you wake up to the sound of them breaking down your security gate then it is feasible to get your gun and either shoot them or find somewhere to hide and only shoot them if they find you.

Its common sense which you are refusing to understand.

Common sense, like your 99.9% of legal gun owners will never point a gun at another person statistic which entirely refutes the necessity for firearms? Common sense ain't so common, eh?

Again, if they're breaking down your doors to get to you, I sincerely doubt you have enough bullets.

 

[Pitbull]

Not always,

Headshot you are kaput but you better not miss, the other person would not even hear the shot.

True, but this is also not always the case. There are cases where soldiers at war where shot in the head and didn't even know it, they only realised it once the fighting was over and some still have bullets stuck in their heads . I'll find a link quick

Here's a few:
http://www.google.co.za/#hl=en&sour...ain&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&fp=97f3084427c3032c

According to some study, only about 90% of head shots are fatal. If you want to make sure someone doesn't survive shoot his heart to shyt. He will still live for a few minutes but there is no way they can save his life

 

[CyraxHB]

And if it isn't feasible, it's one more illegal gun.

Haven't we been here before?

Thats a risk worth taking. Many more lives would be put at risk if criminals knew no one could defend themselves.

Then explain why the people I've mentioned before, to name a few, have guns.

Because they met the requirements of the law when they applied for the licence. Do you really expect the police to see into the future to determine if someone will do something bad.

Which evidently they can't do with or without guns.

Correct. But how would disarming yourself help the situation.

So 99.9% of people who own legal guns don't need the guns? Brilliant gem of logic right there.

When did I say that. Using the gun for hunting or at the shooting range is a legitimate reason to have a gun.

I'm surprised the discussion between us has lasted this long if all you're capable of doing is personal attacks. Childish and permitted to have a gun. Funny world, eh?

Since when is vegetarian hippy an attack?

Common sense, like your 99.9% of legal gun owners will never point a gun at another person statistic which entirely refutes the necessity for firearms? Common sense ain't so common, eh?

Again, if they're breaking down your doors to get to you, I sincerely doubt you have enough bullets.

One bullet each and they won't be so keen to fight.