Article: Child shoots another in head

This is why we keep our safe out of reach from children.Children should not even know about a firearm in the house and it should not be kept where they can easily access it.
 
Kosmik said:
I don't think it should be a reason. If proper gun safety is maintained then this would never happen.
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One reason amongst many.

Logically though: Chance of someone accidentally getting shot with a gun that does not exist = 0%; Chance of it happening with gun I own = more than 0%. Seems simple to me.
 
copacetic said:
One of the many reasons why I will never own a gun.
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Meh, that's just such a knee-jerk in my view. I've read your next post, and in principle I agree but it's so easy to shout "no guns for me" in response. My personal view is, in many such instances, the parents of these kids would've ended up driving over their sprogs if they didn't shoot themselves first. It points to irresponsible parenting, either through ignorance or disinterest.

The problem is the gun-owner, not the gun.
 
enigma243 said:
Meh, that's just such a knee-jerk in my view. I've read your next post, and in principle I agree but it's so easy to shout "no guns for me" in response. My personal view is, in many such instances, the parents of these kids would've ended up driving over their sprogs if they didn't shoot themselves first. It points to irresponsible parenting, either through ignorance or disinterest.

The problem is the gun-owner, not the gun.
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You read my other post, so I'd just be repeating myself.

I guess I do have an issue in general with a device designed primarily to kill. At the end of the day that is what guns are designed to do - Poke holes in a living organism until it dies.

I've just never had the slightest inclination to own one, and can't imagine that changing.
 
copacetic said:
One of the many reasons why I will never own a gun.
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Agreed. I made that decision long ago.

I know I may need a gun to defend myself one day, but the risks of having a different accident with the gun like the accident quoted above are too high and outweigh the chances of me having to use it to defend myself.
Besides, even when I go to use the gun to defend myself, the chances of having it used against me, or stolen from me and used against another innocent are also too high for me to take that risk.

It's a lose, lose situation as far as I am concerned.
 
copacetic said:
You read my other post, so I'd just be repeating myself.

I guess I do have an issue in general with a device designed primarily to kill. At the end of the day that is what guns are designed to do - Poke holes in a living organism until it dies.

I've just never had the slightest inclination to own one, and can't imagine that changing.
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No worries. I used your post more as a springboard than to criticise your position on the matter. If you don't like the idea of having a firearm that's just dandy; all I'm saying is it's a short step from there to blaming guns instead of people. ;)
 
Garyvdh said:
Agreed. I made that decision long ago.

I know I may need a gun to defend myself one day, but the risks of having a different accident with the gun like the accident quoted above are too high and outweigh the chances of me having to use it to defend myself.
Besides, even when I go to use the gun to defend myself, the chances of having it used against me, or stolen from me and used against another innocent are also too high for me to take that risk.

It's a lose, lose situation as far as I am concerned.
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Yep.

enigma243 said:
No worries. I used your post more as a springboard than to criticise your position on the matter. If you don't like the idea of having a firearm that's just dandy; all I'm saying is it's a short step from there to blaming guns instead of people. ;)
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Perversely, I've always wanted to try target shooting. Go figure. :o
 
Guys... you forget one thing.

Who is responsible for your safety? And for the safety of your family?

Then ask the question... Would I own a gun?
Sure... if the poo hits the fan, you call the cops... because they have guns. Unfortunately, they're unreliable and poorly trained.

It is very naive to say: "Guns are bad", when you depend on others to carry guns to maintain the fragile illusion of order that we live in.
The fact that guns are specifically designed to kill things... well... awesome! As opposed to things that kill things by accident, like cars and hair driers.

You, as a human being, are a killer. If you eat the flesh of a dead animal you should have no qualms in dealing with the safety of you and your family on the front lines.


Easy to not believe in gun ownership when you pay R500 a month for "Armed Response" and think the cops will come around if you need em.
I've trained some security company personnel, and I wouldn't trust their driving let alone their use of a firearm.
 
OverKill69 said:
Guys... you forget one thing.

Who is responsible for your safety? And for the safety of your family?
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That is exactly the reason why I will not own a gun. I am responsible for their safety.
Should I bring a live poisonous snake into my house to kill intruders?
It's not the snake that kills people, but the handler that didn't keep it properly.
The point is... these are dangerous objects.
And guns themselves are often sought out in the case of armed robberies.
I don't have a safe, I don't have a gun, I don't keep large amounts of cash, I don't have fancy vehicles, I don't live in a house that advertises that I am rich.
Those are all liabilities.
I have electric fencing, armed response, panic buttons, automatic lights, life and contents insurance, etc.
Those are not liabilities, those are security features.
 
*and this is also why you should not get children, because the world has enough people as it is.*
 
OverKill69 said:
Guys... you forget one thing.

Who is responsible for your safety? And for the safety of your family?

Then ask the question... Would I own a gun?
Sure... if the poo hits the fan, you call the cops... because they have guns. Unfortunately, they're unreliable and poorly trained.

It is very naive to say: "Guns are bad", when you depend on others to carry guns to maintain the fragile illusion of order that we live in.
The fact that guns are specifically designed to kill things... well... awesome! As opposed to things that kill things by accident, like cars and hair driers.

You, as a human being, are a killer. If you eat the flesh of a dead animal you should have no qualms in dealing with the safety of you and your family on the front lines.


Easy to not believe in gun ownership when you pay R500 a month for "Armed Response" and think the cops will come around if you need em.
I've trained some security company personnel, and I wouldn't trust their driving let alone their use of a firearm.
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No one here is saying you can't own a gun, they are just saying they prefer not to own one.

Your gun might be giving you a false sense of security. Will you be able to get it out of the safe in time, are you sure no one will use your gun against you or someone else? Are you sure you won't mistakenly kill an innocent person like that rugby player that shot his own daughter.
 
ponder said:
No one here is saying you can't own a gun, they are just saying they prefer not to own one.

Your gun might be giving you a false sense of security. Will you be able to get it out of the safe in time, are you sure no one will use your gun against you or someone else? Are you sure you won't mistakenly kill an innocent person like that rugby player that shot his own daughter.
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"armed response" contracts are a false sense of security.

My firearm is a tool I use for MY SECURITY.

I train hard, I train long and I train other people.
I am under no illusions whatsoever.

Some people are content to pay a sum of money and think they're safe. I prefer to take the responsibility on myself.

I give you a scenario:

Your alarm goes off at 2:30am.
what do you do?
Does your "Armed response" rock up? Is it a false alarm? Do you get out of bed and walk straight to the alarm pad and reset the alarm?


Another scenario:

You're driving to your neighborhood security boom.
you stop as usual but you don't see a security guard... instead, 3 people approach your car from all sides.

Another scenario:

Your neighbor's domestic worker rings your intercom.
she's hysterical and all she can say is: they're still in the house with the baby.
Outside the neighbor's gate is car with a masked male occupant who has now seen YOU and the maid looking at him.
 
Ok, you like your gun and it will solve your problems, good for you. No one is saying you can't have one, it's your CHOICE.
 
and you like your security company and they will solve your problems, it's your CHOICE.

We're on the same page.
 
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