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Oh crumbs dude, just give it up already. 
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OverKill69
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Once again... You may exercise your choice.
But be under no illusion that 9 out of the 10 voices in my head say that I shouldn't drink anymore.
And if more people learned to RESPECT guns as opposed to FEAR and MISUNDERSTAND them... Then maybe Brittany Spears wouldn't have ventured into DUB STEP.
But be under no illusion that 9 out of the 10 voices in my head say that I shouldn't drink anymore.
And if more people learned to RESPECT guns as opposed to FEAR and MISUNDERSTAND them... Then maybe Brittany Spears wouldn't have ventured into DUB STEP.
copacetic
King of the Hippies
copacetic
King of the Hippies
I'm seriously trying to understand just WTF [-]Britney[/-] Brittany Spears and dub step have to do with the price of eggs. Strange.
Lycanthrope
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Exactly. You can do your best, but there will always be a key to the safe and no amount of "absolute certainty" or "respect for your gun" would keep curiosity out of a kid who wants to know what's in that safe. It's just a matter of time.
I will never own a gun because that's still just one gun in the world too many.
I have seen so many people own guns who should never have been permitted to in the first place and the reality is that no-one should ever own a gun because if you want to own a gun, you shouldn't own a gun.
The bit in bold is probably the most ridiculous thing I have every heard.
Lycanthrope
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Owning a gun means that you are prepared to shoot someone, probably kill them. The only people, I feel, who should ever have access to firearms are military and police.
Call it ridiculous if you want, I'm not the one prepared or willing to kill someone. To me, the only difference between that and a criminal is "justification."
Yip, does not make much sense. Maybe he means it's like those guys that want to join the police because they get their kicks out of it for all the wrong reasons and usually get rejected at the psych evaluation. A similar thing can apply to certain people wrt owning guns. I know there are people out there that I would like to see not ever owning a gun as they would be a menace to society.
If it's to protect your own life and that of others I have no issue with it.
People have been killing each other since the dawn of time, started with their bare hands and progressed to sticks, stones, slings, spears, knives etc etc.
So if you ban guns people will kill each other with knives etc, are you then going to ban those as well until we are back to using our bare hands. You cannot blame the instrument, you have to look at the person holding that instrument.
A peaceful & weapon free world would be a very nice place but lets be realistic and accept that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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People who have legal guns tend to use them for target practice and to provide piece of mind in terms of safety at home. They don't go wondering around shooting people.
And for those of you opposing guns, perhaps you will change your tune when you are hiding in your bedroom while murderers are breaking down your door. In those 10+ hours you'll be waiting for the police to arrive perhaps a gun would be useful.
Lycanthrope
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How many guns "to protect your own life and that of others" get stolen because they were as helpful in a burglary as a piece of cheese and end up being used instead to harm others?
Perhaps I'm defeatist, but there doesn't seem to be much you can do if criminals get to you before you notice them and if you do notice them first and whip out your pistol, let's hope it doesn't turn into a bloodbath.
I'm sorry, I just can't support or condone gun ownership by the general public.
Lycanthrope
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Target practice? I've seen one guy who does target practice in a residential area, but he was in the army. Wonder how long until a stray bullet offs someone. How many people in the world like that, who have gun licences, do you think there are? They seem to be the majority rather than the few.
Peace of mind can be found in any number of ways, if your peace of mind is a gun in your closet then what happens when you get held up in town, or hijacked in your car?
Gun-ownership is starting to sound like a placebo effect.
Yeah, you'd be in your room, trying to get your gun out of the safe while they've got a gun to your kid's head. What are you going to do then?
As I said, if they get to you first, before you notice them, then it's already too late.
He was probably using a bb gun. The noise from a real gun would attract the cops in no time.
Who said its in the closet. I keep mine on my body as much as possible.
In that case you would be as screwed as if you didn't have a gun. But say for instance its just you and your wife in the house with murderers breaking down the door. 15 bullets through the door is going to do more to stop them than praying for the police to answer their phone.
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Lycanthrope
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No, it's real. It's some small-calibre, but don't know details.
Which makes it exceedingly useful to your loved ones and even more useful when you have a knife/gun to your back and someone whispering in your ear not to move a ****ing muscle
Yup, and that's the point. The reality is, if criminals break into your home, chances are good you will be asleep and if they do it expecting you, there will be more of them than you and probably more guns. When they leave, whether you're alive or not, your gun will be added to theirs.
This gun-ownership thing seems to cater to people's fantasy, their "inner hero" if you will. Your 15-bullets-through-the-door example relies heavily on them not retaliating by doing the same while you reload. Your noble intent to protect your loved ones relies on you being there and on you somehow being aware that a crime is about to be afoot. Your chances rely on them not out-numbering or out-gunning you and, if they had no intention to kill you in the first place, when you fire at them, they will kill you and your loved ones.
Gun-ownership is terribly romantic, it seems, but significantly more dangerous (to everyone, if you consider idiots with gun licences, your gun being stolen, your kid shooting himself or another one day by accident) than not.
I'm sorry, but my stance remains: the general public shouldn't be permitted to own guns. One person owning a gun alone, infringes on my 'right' (if you will) to live in a gun-free society.
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dub step ftw
You guys make me giggle.
You guys make me giggle.
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Lycanthrope
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Then report him as what he is doing is illegal.
Which makes it exceedingly useful to your loved ones and even more useful when you have a knife/gun to your back and someone whispering in your ear not to move a ****ing muscle
Much more useful than having nothing at all.
My point is that criminals are going to do all this to you whether or not you're armed. At least if you have a gun you have some chance to defend yourself. If you are completely overpowered then you don't go for your gun. But its useful in the situation where it is feasible for you to use it to defend yourself.
We all know our criminals will torture you to death even if you are unarmed so I can't understand why you lot intentionally keep yourselves unarmed. This wish to lie down and die whenever a criminal walks into your house is disturbing to say the least.
vangend
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Similar thing happened in 1980 when I was in primary school. Unfortunately the kid did not survive. Even the other child will have to live with it the rest of his life. I used to own firearms until I made a comment about shooting a neighbors dog after it attacked a kid walking in the street. My 4 year old son heard me and took my safe keys and brought me my gun. Luckily it was not loaded, but I gave both my firearms away the next day. Maybe when my kids are older I will buy a gun again.