Article: Child shoots another in head

copacetic said:
One of the many reasons why I will never own a gun.
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Yeah its the guns fault :rolleyes:
The issue here is education, firstly guns should not be accessible to anyone but the owner and second, kids must learn how to handle guns and ammunition, what happens if your kid goes to a friend where there is a gun in the house?
 
Guys guys, owning a gun is an extermely personal choice and there is nothing worse than someone who owns a gun and :

1) has concern about using it
2) is insecure with it and its consquences
3) may hesitate.

I want a gun that has a smart trigger, until I can get one, I probably won't own one as the chances of someone breaking in and stealing a weapon are very high in this country and we can't rely on the safety of safes because a lot of registered owners are targeted by the details they give in with their license details. The only time one should draw a gun is when one intends to use it, you cannot hesitate in that case as the chances are that someone will try and overpower you. If a person doesn't believe that they can do that, then they shouldn't own a gun.

To those who don't care to own a gun, it is your choice , to those who do, please maintain the proper respect, training and attitude to use it if neccesary although I would pray that you never have to.
 
marine1 said:
Yeah its the guns fault :rolleyes:
The issue here is education, firstly guns should not be accessible to anyone but the owner and second, kids must learn how to handle guns and ammunition, what happens if your kid goes to a friend where there is a gun in the house?
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Just like a swimming pool.

Except... you don't have people having arguments about owning swimming pools when a kid kills itself in one.

I might be making too much noise here... but I really can't stand the token liberal argument of "Guns are baaad, mmkay" argument that people automatically spout when something like this happens.
 
marine1 said:
Yeah its the guns fault :rolleyes:
The issue here is education, firstly guns should not be accessible to anyone but the owner and second, kids must learn how to handle guns and ammunition, what happens if your kid goes to a friend where there is a gun in the house?
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No need to roll your eyes at me, just because I don't want to own a gun.

I did not say it was the guns fault, I simply said that where there is no gun there is no risk of getting shot by a non-existent gun. It's pretty simple.

Seriously, you are advocating that every kid should learn how to handle a gun on the off-chance that they go play at the house of someone who owns one? That's really fruity. :erm:

Perhaps it is just the circles I roll in, but I really know very, very few people with guns, and when I find out a person owns one I am generally a bit surprised.

I just don't like guns, I'm not telling the rest of you what to do though.
 
OverKill69 said:
Just like a swimming pool.

Except... you don't have people having arguments about owning swimming pools when a kid kills itself in one.

I might be making too much noise here... but I really can't stand the token liberal argument of "Guns are baaad, mmkay" argument that people automatically spout when something like this happens.
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You really are a bit hypersensitive to this issue, as I don't think that's what has been said in this thread. A couple of people basically said 'we don't like guns, we feel they increase the risk of getting shot' and you went of on a bit of a frothing tangent.
 
My issue is with "gun free SA" types.
If you are one of them my issue is with you.
I have the right to defend myself as the gvt and police cannot or will not.
It just takes one of these incidents and you see all the liberal hippie types come out against gun ownership......all that does is strengthen the criminals side of things and there can be no resistance to crime.
 
OverKill69 said:
Fantastic!

You still live with your parents?
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Also know of people that leave their houses wide open during the day when they are not there, doors are not locked or anything.

Relevance to the scenario?
 
OverKill69 said:
I might be making too much noise here... but I really can't stand the token liberal argument of "Guns are baaad, mmkay" argument that people automatically spout when something like this happens.
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I don't think anybody is saying guns are bad, it's people that are bad and to blame. Are you not maybe reading a lot more than is being said?

In case you are wondering I'm actually for the right to own guns, leave the choice up to the people. I'm not anti gun at all but I just choose not to have one.
 
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Having a gun in the house does not automatically create a dangerous situation. All you have to do is either carry it with you or lock in the safe and keep the key with you.

imo the benefits of having a gun far outweigh the risks.
 
marine1 said:
My issue is with "gun free SA" types.
If you are one of them my issue is with you.
I have the right to defend myself as the gvt and police cannot or will not.
It just takes one of these incidents and you see all the liberal hippie types come out against gun ownership......all that does is strengthen the criminals side of things and there can be no resistance to crime.
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The only person so far in the thread even mentioning this is you.

With the amount of guns criminals have, and the limited effectiveness of our police force, it takes a special type of naiveté to suggest a gun free country, just like that.
 
BrandonH said:
Having a gun in the house does not automatically create a dangerous situation. All you have to do is either carry it with you or lock in the safe and keep the key with you.

imo the benefits of having a gun far outweigh the risks.
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Then by all means, own a gun. I see it the other way around, so I wouldn't want one.

What I would get though, is one of those shotguns that shoot a beanbag like a rocket. I'd love to disable an intruder with one of those.
 
copacetic said:
You really are a bit hypersensitive to this issue, as I don't think that's what has been said in this thread. A couple of people basically said 'we don't like guns, we feel they increase the risk of getting shot' and you went of on a bit of a frothing tangent.
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I know I am... because when you announce yourself as a legal gun owner who trains and shoots regularly... people assume you're a F*#king psychopath who is on the edge of going postal.
When you say: "I'm a firearm instructor", people think you're training murderers.

I have this argument at least twice a week with people who think that they pay somebody else to look after them and feel they're safe.
Then.. 99.99% of people think that guns are straight from the devil, yet depend on police and armed response personnel to arrive brandishing heavy weaponry should they need them.
It is their right apparently...

/end rant

I am hyper sensitive to this argument because I see an ungrateful public admonishing the very tool that they depend on to keep them safe at night.

It's like saying coal mining is bad for the environment... but not willing to give up your air conditioning.
 
OverKill69 said:
I know I am... because when you announce yourself as a legal gun owner who trains and shoots regularly... people assume you're a F*#king psychopath who is on the edge of going postal.
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From your posts here I could understand why people might think that. You and marine1 are the ones that went postal here :D

No one said you can't or should not own a gun. All they said is they choose not to own one. Is that really so hard to understand and worth getting worked up over?

Many of us support your right to own a gun even though we choose not to own one. You are getting angry with the wrong people here.



copacetic said:
But no-one is arguing with you here, so just chillax. :p
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Dunno what they are going on about.
 
This whole idea that by not owning a gun you wont get shot is silly. You just wont get shot with gun belonging to you.

Response times for armed response units can vary anywhere between a couple minutes to hours (in Chubb and ADT's case). In the UK, the permissable time frame between an alarm activation being received till armed response being dispatched is 8 minutes. These services are to augment your security, not be the first and only line of protection.

I am with marine1 on the issue that children should be educated on the handling of firearms.This is not so that they can play with them at a friends house, etc. I am sure the point he was trying to make is that they should know the potential damage that can be caused by foolish curiosity.

If one exercises care and safety of a firearm through proper training, there is minimal risk in being harmed by your own weapon. Unfortunately the poor standard of training and its requirements in South Africa means that few people will be equipped with the skills to defend themselves.
 
copacetic said:
But no-one is arguing with you here, so just chillax. :p
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It's in the language... I'll quote lines posted by other so far.


"One of the many reasons why I will never own a gun."

"And how many people end up getting shot with their own guns. I'm not anti guns but it's something I will never own."

"I guess I do have an issue in general with a device designed primarily to kill. At the end of the day that is what guns are designed to do - Poke holes in a living organism until it dies."

"It's a lose, lose situation as far as I am concerned."

"That is exactly the reason why I will not own a gun. I am responsible for their safety.
Should I bring a live poisonous snake into my house to kill intruders?"

"Your gun might be giving you a false sense of security."


Those statements are made by people who sleep soundly at night as a direct result of there being people WITH GUNS who try and keep this place from turning into just another "African Democracy".

"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
 
OverKill69 said:
It's in the language... I'll quote lines posted by other so far.


"One of the many reasons why I will never own a gun."

"And how many people end up getting shot with their own guns. I'm not anti guns but it's something I will never own."

"I guess I do have an issue in general with a device designed primarily to kill. At the end of the day that is what guns are designed to do - Poke holes in a living organism until it dies."

"It's a lose, lose situation as far as I am concerned."

"That is exactly the reason why I will not own a gun. I am responsible for their safety.
Should I bring a live poisonous snake into my house to kill intruders?"

"Your gun might be giving you a false sense of security."


Those statements are made by people who sleep soundly at night as a direct result of there being people WITH GUNS who try and keep this place from turning into just another "African Democracy".

"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Please tell how how you get from I choose not to own a gun to guns must be banned or you must not own one as you are reading into these comments by the looks of things.

It sounds like you are upset with people for not owning guns?

The only person here that seems to have an issue is you the gun owner, the rest of don't have a problem with you owning a gun.
 
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