Article: Iranians are "uncivilised"

Nick333: can you provide proof that "Britain has been aiding and abetting far worse contraventions of the frikkin Geneva convention by their close allies the USA for the last 6 or 7 years"?

kilo39 said:
Fact of the matter: UK has accepted all US policy and action in the middle east.
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Explain exactly HOW this has ANYTHING to do with Guantanamo Bay, a detention center in the USA that is run solely by the USA. The Middle East is not North America, last time I checked.

kilo39 said:
GB and Texas has the second highest score in the world for putting children to death
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What does this matter? The USA also has one of the world's largest populations and the world's most effective police and criminal justice system. If a teenager kills someone willfully, and this can be proved in a court of law, that teenager should be put to death.

kilo39 said:
GB and crew (and Tony Blair) when in fact these are the biggest criminals of all
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Please provide evidence for that statement.

Back On Topic, I'm not going to comment on Terry Jones' article, simply because it's absolutely ludicrous. Yes, he makes some valid points, but the fact of the matter is that Iran seized these British sailors with no justification. They could simply have asked them to leave.

To be honest, I'm not quite sure what Iran is trying to achieve here. Are they trying to prove, yet again, how "powerful" they are and how they can "defy" the major powers of the world? How childish, and yet how typical of that nation's leaders.
 
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JayM said:
Would you say that Iran's laws regarding human rights are more civilised than western nations then?
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At this time, and in terms of the posted article we are not debating human rights or who is more civilised (exactly the point of the article, 'cause in terms of the article "we" are the more uncivilised.)

But a thought: who has the highest percentage of peeps in prison per capita? Now you want to talk human rights? Sort your own sh#t before pointing fingers at other people (never mind executing kiddies!!) :mad:

The article is not discussing human rights it is discussing hypocrisy. Exactly what is happening here!
 
//amazing how these peeps come out of the woodwork!! At least have the honesty to post under your usual "name."
 
JayM said:
Yes, having paedophilia illegal is more civilised than having it legal. Anyone who disagrees with that needs their head read. We're talking about government sanctioned rape of 9 year old girls by men 40+! And yes, SA has some of the worst rape stats in the world, but at least there is the possibility of putting the offender behind bars, and our constitution is light years ahead of most in terms of human rights, gender equality, and other trivial things like that.

The vast majority of SA is in fact more civilised than Iran, because we don't see rape as being acceptable - it's only a few who commit the crime who are tarnishing our image. It is one thing to have these heinous crimes committed, but they've made them legal!
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Well I was not referring to 40yr old men marrying 9yr olds.. thats just f**king sick if u ask me.

The Sa rape thing is silly.. our constitution my be a shining example of freedom, equality etc but its doing f**kall for the children getting raped by repeat offenders.

Read the bold statement over and over and then go to every country where there is a stereotype and tell me there is no exception. How much is needed for a stereotype to be 100% fair?
 
JayM said:
From Amnesty:

Iran continues to sentence child offenders to death, despite signing up to international treaties that expressly prohibit this heinous practice. It was the only country to execute children in 2005. In 2006, it shares this invidious position with Pakistan – the only other country to have executed a child so far this year.

According to AI figures, Iran executed eight child offenders in 2005. It carried out its first child execution of 2006 on 13 May with the hanging of an unnamed 17-year-old boy. He was executed along with an unnamed 20-year-old man, in Khorramabad, the capital of Lorestan province.
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Now you can have the pleasure of posting the link ('cause it wasn't on my reference.)

Since 2000, only five countries in the world are known to have executed juvenile offenders: China, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Iran, Pakistan, and the United States. Pakistan and China have abolished the juvenile death penalty, but there have been problems in nationwide compliance with the law.

2006 huh? Link please. (But I say again: this is not the discussion. The discussion is hypocrisy, exactly what we have here.)
 
krycor, my point was that it is legal there, and therefore accepted as being OK by the majority. Certainly no stereotype.
 
kilo39 said:
Now you can have the pleasure of posting the link ('cause it wasn't on my reference.)

Since 2000, only five countries in the world are known to have executed juvenile offenders: China, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Iran, Pakistan, and the United States. Pakistan and China have abolished the juvenile death penalty, but there have been problems in nationwide compliance with the law.

2006 huh? Link please. (But I say again: this is not the discussion. The discussion is hypocrisy, exactly what we have here.)
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http://web.amnesty.org/web/wire.nsf/October2006/Iran
 
I was meaning The_Assimilator.

Will look at your link. Thanks.
 
I agree...if you wish to argue that Iran is more civilised as a country than SA, UK, US, or wherever, start a new thread and I'll happily oblige.
 
Back to the topic here - Iran is just adding more fuel to the fire and aren't being reasonable at all.
 
According to AI figures, Iran executed eight child offenders in 2005. It carried out its first child execution of 2006 on 13 May with the hanging of an unnamed 17-year-old boy. He was executed along with an unnamed 20-year-old man, in Khorramabad, the capital of Lorestan province. They had reportedly been sentenced to death for the rape and murder of a 12-year-old boy.
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I am not arguing or defending I am simply pointing to:

1. Two wrongs do not make a right
2. The outrage in the west is hypocrisy (the base of the article.)
 
Unfortunately, the two wrongs part also applies to Iran unreasonably holding the British sailors - what good can come out of it?
 
JayM said:
Unfortunately, the two wrongs part also applies to Iran unreasonably holding the British sailors - what good can come out of it?
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Why do you think Iran is holding onto these peeps?

(I agree it is not right; but do not preach comparisons, ie, we are the goodies and they are the baddies.)
 
my money's on the point of view of medieval scholar, and Brian's mum, Terry Jones.

Might want to put a linky with that article, so as to further irritate the poor
people who desperately want to defend the official position of various governments, who are so keen to help Iraq that they're stopping ships at
sea to check for untaxed cargo, to help poor Iraq in its hour of need.
 
JayM said:
krycor, my point was that it is legal there, and therefore accepted as being OK by the majority. Certainly no stereotype.
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Paedophilia and a law that states 9 yr olds can get married are two different issues. Its like saying beer is legal so public drunkenness is fine too.
 
Because they can - it's an act of defiance. In this specific case, I do believe they are in the wrong. I'll stop short of calling them the "baddies" - yet - because they haven't acted on their rhetoric concerning wiping Israel off the map. But still, even talking like that is creating instability which is not needed. I'm thinking that they want uranium enrichment for a bomb - if it's to prevent the US nuking them, fair enough, but if it's to destroy another nation (which would simply be following their religion), then that poses a problem.

Having said that, Bush & co acting outside of the UN wasn't right either - but in terms of "uncivilised" behaviour, I don't know if what's going on is actually worse than what was there already (speaking about Iraq and Afghanistan).
 
krycor said:
Paedophilia and a law that states 9 yr olds can get married are two different issues. Its like saying beer is legal so public drunkenness is fine too.
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Sex with those 9 year old girls is also legal in Iran. I'm not sure your comparison is valid.
 
LoneGunman said:
my money's on the point of view of medieval scholar, and Brian's mum, Terry Jones.

Might want to put a linky with that article, so as to further irritate the poor
people who desperately want to defend the official position of various governments, who are so keen to help Iraq that they're stopping ships at
sea to check for untaxed cargo, to help poor Iraq in its hour of need.
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Please explain LG?
 
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I believe he's referring to the Monty Python movie, Life of Brian, directed by Terry Jones.

Regarding my statement, "The USA also has one of the world's largest populations and the world's most effective police and criminal justice system." - it should actually read, "The USA also has one of the world's largest populations and one of the world's most effective police and criminal justice systems." See here for USA crime statistics, and note this interesting fact:

"The United States puts 0.7 % of its population in Prison - a vastly higher percentage than any other nation."

I would say that makes their criminal justice system pretty effective.
 
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