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Article: Iranians are "uncivilised"
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Ja I agree: throw them all in jail, clean up the streets. Please.
Thanks re: Monty Python (I see Terry Jones is also a medieval scholar.)
Would be so much easier if LG just posted the link (and made his direct point!)
Terry Jones' Medieval LivesIn Terry Jones' Medieval Lives his mission is to rescue the Middle Ages from ... The ex-Python turned scholar re-assesses the clichés about the Middle Ages ...
(will try get to all these other posts)
//and bwana: come out of the shadows, I know it's you
//ah, and I think I finally get it: LG is simply agreeing with Terry Jones (as the author of "Terry Jones' Medieval Lives" and co-creator of Life of Brian, Monty Python, and of course the author of this article.)
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The_Assimilator
Executive Member
kilo39 said:
Putting criminals in prison is not uncivilised, as you seem to think. It is the criminals who are uncivilised - they become so by violating the laws of their country.
Skeptik
Banned
The Iranian president is a controversial figure. Some say he was one of those involved in the previous hostage situation in 1979.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad
I can't understand why 'we' insist on making comparisons. There is no comparisons. In this Iran is wrong to hold on (but for sure they have their reasons; imminent war could be one.) No doubt the UK (and USA) is also wrong (for fighting an illegal war in Iraq.) All this in the greater tragedy of the middle east (which I see Condi and Georgie are now pretending to fix in three weeks, ya, feel the pressure morons.)
Fact of the matter: Iran has not held peeps for 5 years and killed hundreds of thousands. Plain fact: UK, USA (NATO?,) is performing rendition, kidnapping, torture, and a long list of other crimes. Who then is anybody to point fingers at Iran?
//and yes we put their hooded faces on tv, their bars and chains. The dead bodies. The torture victims. Who is the true sicko here?
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The_Assimilator
Executive Member
kilo: if you are going to make extravagant, unfounded, and ridiculous claims about how the USA and UK have "killed hundreds of thousands" and "performed rendition, kidnapping, torture, and a long list of other crimes", please SHUT THE HELL UP and stop posting in this thread.
Fact: the USA has never paraded prisoners of war on television.
Fact: the British prisoners in Iran seem uninjured. Clothes are very good at hiding bruises, and of course there are the psychological bruises which one never sees.
Fact: forcing the female sailor to dress in Muslim clothes is a form of torture.
Fact: forcing the British sailors to read from scripted propaganda statements is a form of torture.
And as for "Iran has not held peeps for 5 years" - how do you know that? Iran is a fascist regime, and fascist regimes are notorious for making people "disappear". There are no such things as independent media or human rights watchdogs in Iran. Remember, we are talking about a country where being a homosexual is punishable by death.
Fact: the USA has never paraded prisoners of war on television.
Fact: the British prisoners in Iran seem uninjured. Clothes are very good at hiding bruises, and of course there are the psychological bruises which one never sees.
Fact: forcing the female sailor to dress in Muslim clothes is a form of torture.
Fact: forcing the British sailors to read from scripted propaganda statements is a form of torture.
And as for "Iran has not held peeps for 5 years" - how do you know that? Iran is a fascist regime, and fascist regimes are notorious for making people "disappear". There are no such things as independent media or human rights watchdogs in Iran. Remember, we are talking about a country where being a homosexual is punishable by death.
Oh, what are you talking about? You never watch the news then? You've seen no video of the cages at Gitmo? You've seen no video of captives? You've read no reports of the stink in Europe over rendition? You've read no reports of the american/canadian citizens held, tortured, and then released? You never read or saw the news of the CIA operatives on trial in Italy? Please go back to your hole (no tv or news there.) 100's of thousands? You obviously missed the war in Iraq then? Or the war in 'stan? Or the palestinian situation? Helloooooo????
CIA agents to stand trial for Italy kidnapping | Top News ...MILAN (Reuters) - A Milan judge on Friday ordered 26 Americans, most of them thought to be CIA agents, to stand trial with Italian spies for the 2003 ...
PLEASE WAKE UP!
Gee I wonder if this is good as real torture? You know, electrical cables to the genitals or worse. Oh but no, you missed the photos of Abu Ghraib? (Oh no, they were just fooling around??!) PLEAZE!!!
I may not know it re: Iran but I certainly know it re: america (oooh ya, but then you seem to miss Gitmo, alternate reality for you maybe?) Now who are the fascists?
I tell you what at some time we'll have a discussion about the laws of Iran. At this time the discussion is about the hypocrisy of the west: exactly what you are showing here. Seems both murder juveniles, and gays are not welcome in the US military. But continue your dream, it's leading to a more peaceful world. NOT!
HYPOCRITE, LIAR (or moron that has no clue what is going on in the world.)
Mamdouh Habib, 49, an Australian citizen, was caught up in the rendition system after being arrested near the Pakistani-Afghan border shortly after the 9/11 attacks. His lawyers say he was bundled aboard a small jet by men speaking English with American accents and flown to Egypt, the country where he was born. For the next six months, they say, he was held in a Cairo jail, where he was hung from hooks, beaten, given shocks from an electric cattle prod, and told he was to be raped by dogs.
This was BEFORE the new laws relaxing corpus went into effect. Only in the US on a stop over, Maher Arar is illegally detained, ridiculed, and interrogated by US officials for six months. Finally he is sent to Syria where he is tortured into confessing to crimes he did not commit. BEFORE the new laws... what horror stories await now?
chiskop
Executive Member
That's right - the US goes through the sophistry of calling them, what is it again, "enemy combatants"(?) that somehow means the Geneva convention doesn't have to apply.
In your spirited defence, Assimilator, you are missing the point. The point is not where the sailors were captured, whether that was right or wrong, or whether Iran is a fine upstanding democracy. The point is that the US|UK have lost the moral high ground here. And that each element of the sailors' treatment that the UK is taking exception to, is in some way being perpetrated by the US/UK some where in the Middle East (or Guantonamo).