Article: Parents turn to private schools

za1 said:
I don't understand why school principles are not held responsible for bunking teachers and why teachers are not tested on their skills on a yearly or 2 yearly basis?
If the teacher can't teach a subject then WTF is he/she doing being a teacher?
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Yes, za1. The school principles are to be held responsible and let's leave the principals out of it :D
 
za1 said:
I don't understand why school principals are not held responsible for bunking teachers and why teachers are not tested on their skills on a yearly or 2 yearly basis?
If the teacher can't teach a subject then WTF is he/she doing being a teacher?
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I taught at both Government and Private schools and then visited rural schools from 2007 to 2010, and the sad thing is, that the advent of the OBE system led to so much confusion, that many people just gave up trying to understand what they were supposed to teach.

In the rural areas we are dealing with teachers who are expected to teach in their second or third language - it was difficult enough for them to understand the basics of Maths for example - then thanks to OBE Maths now becomes some acronym which makes no sense to them....add to that the rest of the re-named subjects and try and alter their way of teaching, and many of them imploded under the strain.

I'm not making excuses for the teachers, but I can certainly sympathize with them, and put much of the blame back on the shoulders of the Education department that tried to re-invent the wheel whilst implementing a system that had already failed in First World countries.
 
Sinbad said:
The ANC does not believe in responsibility or accountability. They only believe in loyalty.
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Sadly this is true. SADTU will never need to account because they represent a voting block in the alliance. This is also why performance contracts and incentive isn't implemented because SADTU can veto it from the top via the "alliance" or threat of thuggery.
 
Dont just blame Education department, a lot of this type of attitude can be placed at the door of the Unions.
Its the Unions that encourage strikes at critical times just before exams for instance.
 
SADTU = Strike And Don't Teach Union...


http://inside-politics.org/2012/06/...-have-damaged-accountability-in-sa-education/

So, how does the SACE uphold and enforce the code? Here too, the SACE Act grants the council a range of powers. Specifically, if an educator is found to have breached the code, after a “fair hearing”, the council may:

• Caution or reprimand the educator;
• Impose a fine not exceeding one month’s salary;
• Remove the name of the educator from the register, either for a specified period or indefinitely (or subject to other specific conditions).

It can also suspend a sanction imposed in terms of the above for a period, with conditions determined by the council.

Thus, the SACE is a cornerstone of accountability in the teaching profession: an overarching legislated body set up with the express purpose of upholding standards and ethics among educators.

Accountability requires two things in order to be effective: explanation and consequence. The SACE Act provides for both. In providing for a fair hearing and with the power to investigate possible breaches of the code, the SACE has the ability to seek out any explanation. In providing a set of sanctions, likewise, the act provides for consequences, should an educator be found to have violated the code.
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How is that possible? How can it possibly be that, in 12 years, with 365 000 educators in active duty and just under 600 000 registered, just 97 have been permanently struck off the SACE register?

Indeed, for that entire period, the SACE has held just 472 hearings into potential ethical violations (again, remember, the SAPS and IPID dealt with some 11 000 cases in 2010/2011 alone).

It would appear from the hard numbers that the SACE is failing fundamentally to fulfil its legal obligation and, in that failing, it is helping to augment a culture of “unaccountability” in the teaching profession.
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The SACE simply cannot be described as independent of Sadtu’s influence and, with that, the union’s deep resistance to accountability and oversight. Sadtu’s influence is not subtle and the size of its numbers makes it the dominant force in the council. So much so, that it controls the Chairpersonship. It makes sense, then, on the numbers, that the SACE serves Sadtu’s interests, not those of accountability and the public in turn.
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OBE works perfectly when the intended outcome is loyal slaves who vote 100% for the ANC. Then the masses are stupid enough to believe that Whites and Apartheid are to blame for ALL their problems. Just votela for ANC or the White Man will get ya.
 
Not to worry, the WC can still accommodate more edu-refugees! :D
 
Flanders said:
Where's the irony? Care to point it out? Sorry but I see nothing ironic about the posts here.
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People pointing out poor education standards and yet their spelling and grammar is horrible...
 
sox63 said:
People pointing out poor education standards and yet their spelling and grammar is horrible...
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So because you cannot argue against the truth in the article, you resort to petty personal attacks against those posting in support of it. Typical ANC member, in other words.
 
The_Assimilator said:
So because you cannot argue against the truth in the article, you resort to petty personal attacks against those posting in support of it. Typical ANC member, in other words.
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Humor malfunction today?
 
sox63 said:
People pointing out poor education standards and yet their spelling and grammar is horrible...
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Ah, ok. So could you give us an example of this horrible spelling and grammar in those earlier posts?
 
Flanders said:
Ah, ok. So could you give us an example of this horrible spelling and grammar in those earlier posts?
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my post. Brain Cell should have been two words. I could go change it... but hey... why deprive them of their last bit of fun.


Our Prez did the rest for them.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...Angie-Motshekga-is-not-to-blame-apartheid-is-!!

We can not blame the Minister that sits in her office in PTA, but we can blame Apartheid. Because in apartheid only 50% of teachers went to work daily.
 
There is a private school in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg - St Slitherans or something like that. Anyway, the teachers there are very happy to give extra lessons for the kids for free. That's if the kids are happy to be at school at 6 in the morning. For some reason the normal time of after class isn't an option.

Odd that there are no takers.

If you ask me, most teachers are lazy. They may have developed this attitude from the crap pay that most seem to get. I really think that it is since they've been stopped from dishing out hidings that the standard has gone down. Bring back the beatings and give the teachers a reason to enjoy class again.
 
Albereth said:
There is a private school in the northern suburbs of Johannesburg - St Slitherans or something like that. Anyway, the teachers there are very happy to give extra lessons for the kids for free. That's if the kids are happy to be at school at 6 in the morning. For some reason the normal time of after class isn't an option.

Odd that there are no takers.

If you ask me, most teachers are lazy. They may have developed this attitude from the crap pay that most seem to get. I really think that it is since they've been stopped from dishing out hidings that the standard has gone down. Bring back the beatings and give the teachers a reason to enjoy class again.
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As a teacher, I am going to ignore most of what you had to say, apart from the fact that the teachers at ST STITHIANS (please note - it has nothing to do with Harry Potter) have zero free time for extra lessons after normal working hours as they are all actively involved in extra murals for the kids. If the kids cannot appreciate that someone is willing to get up a couple of hours earlier than usual in order to help them, then the kids don't deserve help.

Lazy teachers? My arse!

BTW. "normal time" after class would be about 6:30 in the evening, provided the teacher is only involved in extra murals and has no marking or preparation to do.

You really have no idea how many hours a teacher puts in to a day do you?
 
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Fazda said:
As a teacher, I am going to ignore most of what you had to say, apart from the fact that the teachers at ST STITHIANS (please note - it has nothing to do with Harry Potter) have zero free time for extra lessons after normal working hours as they are all actively involved in extra murals for the kids. If the kids cannot appreciate that someone is willing to get up a couple of hours earlier than usual in order to help them, then the kids don't deserve help.

Lazy teachers? My arse!
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Not only extra murals, but marking and prep...

People think teaching is a half-day job. Hell no. A good teacher starts before school starts and finishes long after 6pm. After 10pm when there's tests or work to be marked.
 
Sinbad said:
Not only extra murals, but marking and prep...

People think teaching is a half-day job. Hell no. A good teacher starts before school starts and finishes long after 6pm. After 10pm when there's tests or work to be marked.
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Thanks, I see we cross posted there.
 
Fazda said:
Thanks, I see we cross posted there.
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Yup... Your edit was too slow ;)

I think someone who hasn't been a teacher or lived with a teacher has absolutely no idea of the time involved behind the scenes. I know it was an eye-opener for me...
I think most of the TEACHERS in this country also have no idea what it takes... hence the poor results.

That being said, the government requires FAR too much admin of a teacher nowadays.
 
The Admin involved in teaching one class is mind blowing.

There is no such thing as a half day job for any teacher.
 
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