Article: Pope recommends Bible for holiday reading

Shameless! I'm going to send the pope a PM and ask him which bible verses to recommend for you.:D
Perhaps death in itself is heaven no fears, pain, worry, pressure, who knows maybe death in itself is a reward.

Well if you look at how some people live i think death may be a massive reward for them. Go look at those starving somali people, i am sure death would be very rewarding and i am sure they are living in hell.
 
Well if you look at how some people live i think death may be a massive reward for them. Go look at those starving somali people, i am sure death would be very rewarding and i am sure they are living in hell.

Now that is a ridiculously narrow-minded and arrogant thing to say. You have no right to judge their desire to live.

If they didn't want to live then they wouldn't. The fact of the matter is that those people have amazing endurance regardless of the hardships life has dealt them. Of course it's not easy, but those people still cling to life and hope for a better day.

I think it's a bloody selfish thing to say that death would be a reward for them. That's their decision to make; not yours. And the fact that they continue to live means that they've made that choice.

What could possibly make you say that death would be "rewarding" to anyone?!

Sick.
 
Lycan have you seen what is happening to the people in somali? i can only think that death must be something the people of Somalia look forward to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/17/women-somalia-hell-worst-world

If hell existed i would have to say Somalia is hell. Yes i would imagine they look forward to dying.
http://www.unicef.org/somalia/children.html

I would link you to some photo's of what the children go through but i think you may freak out when you realize the type of life they live. So it may seem sick to you for people to think that extreme suffering is worse than death but that is your opinion. The worst thing in somalia is how many mothers have so many children. For those kids i cannot think of anything worse than starving to death. Did you see the article in the star last week lycan? Did you see the pictures of the children?
 
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Can we have a daily reading from Alice in Wonderland too? Lot's of good stuff in that book.

I'm obviously looking at the verse in the context of the intended audience at the time. It seems clear that the idea of slavery was ok to the god and the writers of the bible. Now that times have changed the message is "hey lets forget the message as it was intended at the time and fit it into our lives, but ignore those uncool not so good parts". It's Genius. I like your take on the passage though. That thread will be interesting.
You have to realise god was being vague and obtuse, as usual, so those people got it all wrong. But we've now figured out the real message.
 
What did I read on Facebook yesterday...

The difference between the "religious" and the "spiritual"? One is for those afraid to go to hell, the other is for those who have already been there.
 
The very reverse is true. "Spiritual" without "religious" is soo woosie, vague and indeterminate, and always amounts to self-congratulation and eventually decays into smug narcissism (my story). It is naive about the human capacity for self-deception, and how easily we rationalise our appetites to do what we want anyway. It is intellectually lazy, because it fails to engage seriously just what is meant by "spirit" or "truth" or "life". It avoids personally engaging the deep questions about the architecture of the universe, especially the moral universe, and remains agnostic and ultimately uncommitted about right and wrong, good and bad, truth and untruth, reality and unreality. Real religion makes real demands (and yes, there are many counterfeit religions). Real religion, like life itself, demands real relationship with more than a vague sense of something spiritual. The word itself denotes a commitment, a bond, an attachment (ie a relationship) and like real life, it is filled with drama and dogma and cult, something those who only live on the periphery cannot understand or even desire (like me, for many years). I thank Almighty God I eventually emerged from my atheistic slumbers in which I smugly reposed for so long. As Antony Flew (the world's foremost academic atheist for many years) eventually discovered, atheism is not intellectually defensible. So where to start? Plato and Aristotle. Especially Aristotle.

PS: Of course I expect to be flamed, mocked and derided. Just don't pretend it's in the name of tolerance.
 
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Pope Benedict XVI urged Catholics Wednesday to opt for the Bible for their summer holiday reading.

Why does everyone get their panties in a knot about something that wasn’t even targeted at them?

Plus its not exactly the KILL THE UNBELIEVERS sort of message that we should take umbrage with?
 
Lol at the atheist types on here. You guys are so obsessed with religion that you fail to realise that the pope was addressing Catholics. I bet y'all only read the title.

Pope Benedict XVI urged Catholics Wednesday to opt for the Bible for their summer holiday reading. "Often during the holiday period, when we have a moment of repose, we take a book to read," the pope told about 5,000 people gathered for a public audience at Castel Gandolfo, his lakeside summer residence outside Rome.
 
Lol at the atheist types on here. You guys are so obsessed with religion that you fail to realise that the pope was addressing Catholics. I bet y'all only read the title.

/facepalm

News just in: Only Catholics allowed to give their opinion on what the Pope says.
 
They never read the bible, they left it for the priest.

I think it is a good thing.

Let every person read it and find the truth.
 
Depends on the story and how interesting it is :)

When it comes to religious crap a quick skim generally suffices.

LOL me as well, i must stop it though because it is a bit trollish of us to comment like we have when you actually read the story.
 
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