Article: Red Bull ad offensive

sparticus said:
How am I offending anyone if I eat meat in my home ? Like I've said I will tolerate if anyone does anything besides having a go at my religion as I will not do the same unto others , how am I a hypocrite ?

Glad I could add to your amusement though :)
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sparticus said:
And yet I cannot disagree ? What a moronic response ! You are contradicting the very freedom of speech your are so proudly defending !
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The matter is that you are free to voice your concern. Nobody is telling you that you can't. If that is what you read into copa's post then may I suggest I few basic English classes, perhaps?

You are the one trying to limit freedom of speech by proposing that your opinion carries more weight than anyone else's. That is precisely what you are saying when you attempt to dictate to people what they can and can't talk about (see your first quoted post)...:rolleyes:
 
sparticus said:
How am I offending anyone if I eat meat in my home ? Like I've said I will tolerate if anyone does anything besides having a go at my religion as I will not do the same unto others , how am I a hypocrite ?

Glad I could add to your amusement though :)
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Just to add if you were to willing eat meat in front a Hindu knowing full well that this would offend him, this would be Makruh so while not wrong, it would better to avoid it,
In Islamic terminology, something which is makruh (Arabic مكروه, also transliterated makrouh, makrūh etc.) is a disliked or offensive act (literally "hated"). Though it is not haram (forbidden) and therefore not a sin, a person who abstains from this action will be rewarded. Muslims are encouraged to avoid such actions when possible. This is one of the degrees of approval (ahkam) in Islamic law.
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Yes the advert is disliked from both the christian and Muslim point of view and it would be better to avoid such actions when possible. Which I think is the problem we have with the OP, while we could encouraged our fellow Muslims and Christians not to act in a way that would offend someone, how do we encouraged non-Muslims and non-Christians to do the same. I suppose the best could do is voice the opinion that we dislike such actions and have faith/hope the offending person would stop and reconsider his/her actions,

In truth when the tables are turned and the Muslim is the one offending the non-Muslim, we as Muslims could only but encourage that Muslim that is his his/her actions are Makruh i.e. disliked and encourage him to reconsider.
 
DJ... said:
The matter is that you are free to voice your concern. Nobody is telling you that you can't. If that is what you read into copa's post then may I suggest I few basic English classes, perhaps?
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buddy , my response was to the comment from porchrat - "Then go live in Iran. In a free society we recognise and protect the freedom of speech.". I read into that simply that if I dont like what you have to say then I must keep quiet or move on , what do you read into a statement like that ? May I suggest English 101 for you ?

You are the one trying to limit freedom of speech by proposing that your opinion carries more weight than anyone else's. That is precisely what you are saying when you attempt to dictate to people what they can and can't talk about (see your first quoted post)...:rolleyes:
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Nowhere have I said that my opinion carries more weight than anyone , nowhere have I even insinuated that it does , I said I will not tolerate if anyone has a go at my religion. I will oppose it in other words.

Now the irony here is you seem to think you know how to interpret my words and twist it to your liking but my simple interpretation (again I ask how do you read Porchat's comment) seems to result in me needing to seek English lessons.
 
HapticSimian said:
The simple reality is that episodes like this provide an opportunity for discourse on what is an important issue.
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judging by some of the posts in this thread it is more about an opportunity to vent at a perceived enemy and all this is wrong with your life! :D
 
sparticus said:
buddy , my response was to the comment from porchrat - "Then go live in Iran. In a free society we recognise and protect the freedom of speech.". I read into that simply that if I dont like what you have to say then I must keep quiet or move on , what do you read into a statement like that ? May I suggest English 101 for you ?
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I took it as 'If you don't like free speech, go live in a place where speech is restricted by the government'.
 
The Christians in my area also got hysterical with the Monster energy drink cans. Theyre going around in some of the Churches saying the Monster logo is actually the sign of the beast and stupid things like that. Whats interesting is its actually driving some ardent moderate Christians away from the rabid crazies. This is a good thing. The more real Christians(tm) stand up to the crazies the more seriously people can take their beliefs. When the crazies make faith look foolish no one takes what they say seriously.
 
Garyvdh said:
judging by some of the posts in this thread it is more about an opportunity to vent at a perceived enemy and all this is wrong with your life! :D
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Sure, however the tendency of some things to fuel emotions is no reason to cease talking about them. Convictions stand or fall by being tested. :)
 
Randhir said:
I took it as 'If you don't like free speech, go live in a place where speech is restricted by the government'.
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Well it was a response to my post so u need some context. I took it as if I dont agree with the comments and any postings that poke fun at Religion then I should go live in a place where speech is restricted by the government. So my opposing (remember that little thing called freedom of speech) is not very well received and my actions (again the freedom of speech) was deemed so inappropriate that I should seek accommodation in an environment where these actions are policed.

If not then I apologies to whoever I misunderstood.
 
hugo69er said:
That's not the point. Christianity is still number 1.
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... and declining quickly :D Your percentages are declining. Only really the mormons are growing. 10 years from now its going to be a different game :) Now stop over reacting like a Taliban and have a sense of humor. I promise you Jesus would prefer you laughing than fighting :)

Also... every single Christians I have spoken to today (in real life). Including a pastor... did not find the advert offensive. In fact, most of them were offended by the offended Christians. They feel that the crazies make the normal ones appear loony. So this is hardly affecting most Christians.. its upsetting a tiny minority of zealot Christians.
 
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sparticus said:
Its wrong , Red bull should pull it from the air. Why make fun of religion in the first place ? Something that is sacred to Billions ?
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Just as a reminder sparticus, above is your first post in this thread.

Basically you're endorsing censorship....

As to the why make fun of religion?... the more pertinent question should be why NOT make fun of religion. Just because its sacred to 1 person or 7 billion people does not make it any more or less open to being made fun of.
 
sparticus said:
And yet I cannot disagree ? What a moronic response ! You are contradicting the very freedom of speech your are so proudly defending !
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You are always free to voice your disagreement but don't call for censorship.

If you want to call for censorship go live in Iran.

Keep in mind that you didn't say you merely disagreed with the criticism or mockery of your religion, you said you wouldn't tolerate it. If you won't tolerate it then go to Iran.
 
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porchrat said:
You are always free to voice your disagreement but don't call for censorship.

If you want to call for censorship go live in Iran.

Keep in mind that you didn't say you merely disagreed with the criticism or mockery of your religion, you said you wouldn't tolerate it. If you won't tolerate it then go to Iran.
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True I did say I wont tolerate it but how is that in any way me calling for censorship ? I can for instance talk out against it which is what I did. I can also have the opinion that people should not poke fun at Religion , this is my opinion which is the very thing you fighting for.

Even if I did call for censorship , would that not be my democratic right ? Am I not allowed to be heard ? If I dont agree with something I state it so and give my opinion , in some cases I would want it to be removed and will also state it so.

Lets take porn for example , if DSTV wants to show porn on a subscribed channel I would say not a cool idea but if you want to subscribe then by all means you paying for it , however if the public broadcaster wants to show porn then I would oppose it cos my kids watch TV and I dont have the means to block out the porn without taking extreme measures like banning TV completely.

I just dont want my kids to grow up in a society where there is little or no morals in my opinion (again my opinion)
 
Either you support this particular censorship or not. There's no middle ground.

If you do (and by you, I mean anyone), you can get ****ed in my opinion. Go live in a theocracy and leave the rest of us the **** alone. :D
 
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sparticus said:
True I did say I wont tolerate it but how is that in any way me calling for censorship ? I can for instance talk out against it which is what I did. I can also have the opinion that people should not poke fun at Religion , this is my opinion which is the very thing you fighting for.
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To tolerate something is to permit it or to endure it with liberality, forbearance or indulgence.

To not tolerate something is basically the opposite. To not permit it, to not endure it with liberality, forbearance or indulgence.

Basically:
tolerance = free society
intolerance = Iran


Even if I did call for censorship , would that not be my democratic right ? Am I not allowed to be heard ? If I dont agree with something I state it so and give my opinion , in some cases I would want it to be removed and will also state it so.
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You can state your opinion but you can't insist that someone else's opinion not be allowed to be heard in the public arena. No you don't have that right at all.

If you think you do please point it out in the Constitution... I'm guesing it would be something along the lines of "the right to restrict the free speech of others". Having read the Bill of Rights multiple times I don't believe I ever noticed that section.


Lets take porn for example , if DSTV wants to show porn on a subscribed channel I would say not a cool idea but if you want to subscribe then by all means you paying for it , however if the public broadcaster wants to show porn then I would oppose it cos my kids watch TV and I dont have the means to block out the porn without taking extreme measures like banning TV completely.
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When porn is broadcast on public access television it is done so in the early hours of the morning. Unless you are a family of bats you don't need to worry about your kids seeing it. If your kids are seeing it then frankly porn on TV is the least of your parenting worries.

If porn were being shown in the middle of the day then you would have a point. Luckily it isn't because we have regulatory bodies preventing that. Yay for rational approaches to things that don't infringe on people's liberties!!... as opposed to Iran!


I just dont want my kids to grow up in a society where there is little or no morals in my opinion (again my opinion)
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Then move to Iran. Otherwise if you want to live in a free society then join the rest of us in tolerance realising that you cannot dictate your morality to the rest of us.
 
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ghoti said:
The Christians in my area also got hysterical with the Monster energy drink cans. Theyre going around in some of the Churches saying the Monster logo is actually the sign of the beast and stupid things like that. Whats interesting is its actually driving some ardent moderate Christians away from the rabid crazies. This is a good thing. The more real Christians(tm) stand up to the crazies the more seriously people can take their beliefs. When the crazies make faith look foolish no one takes what they say seriously.
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The crazy thing is... that figure in Hebrew adds up to 18, not 666! :D
 
B.O.F.H. said:
Just as a reminder sparticus, above is your first post in this thread.

Basically you're endorsing censorship....

As to the why make fun of religion?... the more pertinent question should be why NOT make fun of religion. Just because its sacred to 1 person or 7 billion people does not make it any more or less open to being made fun of.
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copacetic said:
Either you support this particular censorship or not. There's no middle ground.

If you do (and by you, I mean anyone), you can get ****ed in my opinion. Go live in a theocracy and leave the rest of us the **** alone. :D
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just to clarify your statement
Who ever does not agree with copacetic is wrong
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wow just wow
 
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