Article: Refusing census can land you in jail

so how many people are they going to put in prison for not complying with the census? i'm sure there are many who are refusing to give their details regarding certain questions put to them e.g. how many t.v.'s do you own, what is your income etc.
 
Celine said:
so how many people are they going to put in prison for not complying with the census? i'm sure there are many who are refusing to give their details regarding certain questions put to them e.g. how many t.v.'s do you own, what is your income etc.
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It doesn't ask how many tvs you own - it just asks if you have a tv. It doesn't ask for your income - it asks for total income in the household and then in ranges.
 
Sinbad said:
Rubbish. Drinking when you know you have to drive is a deliberate action.
Don't paint all census workers as bad. They aren't. My one was thick as pigs hit but had zero evil intent...

Anyway you miss my point which is that you have more chance of encountering a drunk driver than a crooked census worker. Intention is irrelevant. I was talking about the risk to you.
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If I encounter a drunk driver in my lounge he (or she) will be the drunkest of all drunk drivers ever.
 
People are acting like this is the first census they have seen in the country. What?! Are you 10 year olds?

When was the last cesnus anyway?
 
R13... said:
People are acting like this is the first census they have seen in the country. What?! Are you 10 year olds?

When was the last cesnus anyway?
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Last census was in 2001. It probably is the first time a lot of people in their 20s are participating. Mommy and daddy did the last one for them.
 
Criminal charges were laid against three households in Waterkloof, Pretoria, for refusing to fill out a census form, according to a report on Friday.
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How do you lay charges against a household? Surely they have to be laid against individuals? If they were not counted, then how many people were charged? Do children get charged too?

Lehohla said in a statement on Thursday that the Statistics Act of 1999 allows him to act against people who refuse to partake in the population and household census, Beeld reported.

"Article 16 of the law forces a respondent to answer all questions asked by a Statistics SA official."
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By which date? Does the census not end on 31 October 2011? Perhaps they prefer to wait until Sat or Sun? Surely charges could only be laid after the completion of the census? Maybe they were away and had already filled the census in while away?

He said the information was only used for statistical purposes and no one, not even the president, could get access on a personal level.
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Section 17 of the Statistics Act guarantees the confidentiality of your individual information. Every Stats SA official is sworn to uphold the confidentiality of collected data. Employees of Stats SA will be legally bound, by signing the Oath of Confidentiality, never to disclose individual information gathered in the course of their duties, to anyone not authorised by Stats SA.
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Umm, how is that a guarantee? Isn't that simply a guarantee that any official who does disclose your information will be charged? It would be like the gov guaranteeing you will not be murdered in SA...?
 
There must be a reason why they didn't comply, I'd like to know the truth.
 
MR.C said:
There must be a reason why they didn't comply, I'd like to know the truth.
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The article is like thumb-news, lacks any detail. I would imagine they have a constitutional right to refuse as the citizen does not have the option to place the census forms inside a sealed, tamper evident envelope. Total lack of confidentiality. Making people take an oath not to look at open papers does not guarantee confidentiality. Gov should just make every citizen take an oath not to commit a crime and then declare SA to be guaranteed crime-free :rolleyes: @ gov. Would like to see this tested in the constitutional court as gov has failed to utilise all available measures to ensure confidentiality.
 
Lol, don't pay your TV license and don't be counted and you will be locked up.......murder and rape and you get R500 bail and a slap on the wrist..oh yeah and lets not talk about corruption
 
You don't have to let the person onto your property to complete the form, so complaining about them having to come onto your property is silly. Just fill the form in and give it back.

R13... said:
People are acting like this is the first census they have seen in the country. What?! Are you 10 year olds?
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It is strange, but it must mostly be people who've never done one before. It's hardly like the government was less corrupt in 2001 or they had some magical ability to only appoint honest people to carry out the survey.

Milano said:
How do you lay charges against a household? Surely they have to be laid against individuals? If they were not counted, then how many people were charged? Do children get charged too?
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Every adult in the household. What's hard to understand?

Surely charges could only be laid after the completion of the census? Maybe they were away and had already filled the census in while away?
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So while they're away they called their census taker to let them know they refuse to fill in the form? I'm not sure there'd be any reason to wait to charge someone who has already made it clear they're not going to complete the survey.
 
noxibox said:
You don't have to let the person onto your property to complete the form, so complaining about them having to come onto your property is silly. Just fill the form in and give it back.


It is strange, but it must mostly be people who've never done one before. It's hardly like the government was less corrupt in 2001 or they had some magical ability to only appoint honest people to carry out the survey.


Every adult in the household. What's hard to understand?


So while they're away they called their census taker to let them know they refuse to fill in the form? I'm not sure there'd be any reason to wait to charge someone who has already made it clear they're not going to complete the survey.
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You have met them personally and they advised you of their reasoning?

While they were away? How can you be away and home at the same time? Obviously prior. Who phones a census worker? Are you attempting to pretend the article makes sense by making nonsensical remarks?

Oh, every adult, thanks for clearing that up, so that is eleventy four right? The eldest resident ie. The decision maker is required to complete the form. I am curious what the rest of the 'household' was charged with? Since you have no trouble understanding, then simply advise what charges were laid against the others occupants. If you are sitting picking your nose on the back porch and unbeknown to you your grandma tells the census worker she will not complete the forms, then what would you be charged with?

So if I phone the police to tell them I refuse to renew my drivers license but intend to drive anyway...then I will be charged now even though my license expires in two months time?
 
My Word! You people are so anal about this! Just fill in the form and get it done with, there's more important things in the world to bitch about.
/rant off
 
For all those pro census.

A census should be about counting people. Not their income or the contents of their home. Those forms up to the time they are verified and your address and name removed is like a shopping list for criminals. What if they stole a handful from the stack with all your details still attached?

What if the census worker makes notes of the best properties to break into and sells that to some criminals? Oh right, they did an oath thingy, how nice for them.

No my friends, the census carries very real and very dangerous risks for everyone that answers it.

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warchylde said:
For all those pro census.

A census should be about counting people. Not their income or the contents of their home. Those forms up to the time they are verified and your address and name removed is like a shopping list for criminals. What if they stole a handful from the stack with all your details still attached?

What if the census worker makes notes of the best properties to break into and sells that to some criminals? Oh right, they did an oath thingy, how nice for them.

No my friends, the census carries very real and very dangerous risks for everyone that answers it.

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Well said.
 
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