R13...
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So much for your constant whines about the quality of our education
. So the high standard Pali has no idea how a census works.
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So much for your constant whines about the quality of our education
. So the high standard Pali has no idea how a census works.Of course I know how a censor works. SA is trying this all the time. Any gaps in my knowledge of censorship, I have filled.
R13...
Honorary Master
That should have been census. You know how that works?
I don’t understand your thrust. It seems to me that if it worked as requested and with the rampant crime in the country, the low level of census workers, letting strangers into your home (another crime issue of which there have been incidents), etc., Warchyld has a point.
Census forms would be a recipe (and a shopping list) for future robberies and home invasions. Detailed information on the number of adults and their remuneration would be useful information for predatory scumbuckets. The only thing preventing this is an ‘oath’. Oaths are not recognised by kulcha.
Ronjay
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Well it's not like SA has a huge back log of prosecutions to deal with in the courts or that the police and prosecution authority have a lot of crime to deal with, or that money is in short supply to prosecute people for not answering a form........... Oh, wait.........
Agreed, people should just take a couple of minutes to complete the census instead of adding to the burden.Well it's not like SA has a huge back log of prosecutions to deal with in the courts or that the police and prosecution authority have a lot of crime to deal with, or that money is in short supply to prosecute people for not answering a form........... Oh, wait.........
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satanboy
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/hands Palimino his extra strength foil hat
Thats my point exactly. We waited how many years for an arms deal probe? Yet three 'households' are charged almost instantly for refusing to complete forms days prior to census even closing? Maybe I'm the only one seeing the bigger picture? I see more and more petty charges being persued by the state against the people while state corruption remains rampant. By all means ignore it if you enjoy being bullied by a state which fails to lead by example. This has nothing to do with papers and everything to do with the enormity of the momentum as we move towards the reality of absolute power, absolute corruption.
Freshy-ZN
Executive Member
No you are not the only one seeing the bigger picture. Well said.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a state on earth that leads by good example. In addition it's quite standard that those with influence and power manage to stave off or completely avoid being investigated and prosecuted.
and clearly you are "ok" with this? Or is this simply your way of making excuses for the current despots?
Again, that is my point. You may choose to view the high levels of corruption & lack of accountability as standard. And in fact corruption is out of control in a small handful of nations...But, and this is where an important distinction must be made, those nations tend not to function effectively enough to charge civilians for not handing in census paperwork. So my question remains, how is a state which is unable to effectively manage the nation's power, unable to deliver basic services, unable to tackle unemployment, unable to administer state broadcasting, unable to hold ministers, departments or low level staff accountable, so effectively able to charge civilians so promptly and efficiently? How is the state's security instrument able to violently oppose service delivery protests so potently? How is the state's instrument able to so efficiently collect tax from the people? It seems the state is highly effective in cases of the state versus the people and yet highly impotent in cases when the state needs to act for the people. How does this bode well for a 'free, democratic' society?
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Freshy-ZN
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Probably because you havent bothered to find out what some of the objections are.
If people have some objection to a census being taken I have no problem with them protesting and defying the law. It's their duty to do so if they feel the law is wrong.
Really? I think various western countries manage this quite well. Charging people with minor crimes, trumping up the charges and inflating sentences. And this sort of thing goes down very well with the law and order, zero tolerance types.
Yes, it is hard to understand how they managed this complex investigation, were able to get undercover agents infiltrated into these families, and finally even able to collect enough evidence to bring charges.
And before everyone was complaining about how the police simply allowed these violent destructive protests free reign.
That's what states do. And I don't mean some country run by a tinpot tyrant. Western, so-called democracies.
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Mila
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who of the complainers has seen the form?
You do not have to answer all the questions.
The most common question lied about?
What age did you have your first baby.
I did not feel comfortable with people in my house so I asked them if I could complete it and they can collect it.
They were fine with it.
Its Census has been done since yonks.
Lol!! The ensurance knows more about you.. and crooks are not limited to Census.
You do not have to answer all the questions.
The most common question lied about?
What age did you have your first baby.
I did not feel comfortable with people in my house so I asked them if I could complete it and they can collect it.
They were fine with it.
Its Census has been done since yonks.
Lol!! The ensurance knows more about you.. and crooks are not limited to Census.
Democracy affords the people the right to ask questions. If you don't find it alarming that the state's anti-ThePeople policies are highly efficient while the state's pro-ThePeople policies are broken and inefficient then you have the right to remain silent.
Freshy-ZN
Executive Member
Its Census has been done since yonks.
Another advocate of the School of Because its Always Been Done So it Must be Right....