Article: Steroids lab busted

[JerryMungo]

Pal, not to toot my own horn or anything but I have been taking supplements for +- 5 years and I think I can tell the difference between bad and good supplements. Nevermind gains, looking at the label is good enough. Don't need some random guy on the internet to tell me USN protein is the same as ON protein.

How does the label help and how long did you test these different supps to be able to say they make a difference in your gains? Some of us have been taking supps for 25 years

About USN, there is a reason it has a crap reputation in the bodybuilding circle. There is also a reason why supplement stores like body king and chrome don't stock their products.

Then enlighten us.

 

[HDS]

I'm saying I can't justify spending four times the money for a supplement that will give me the same results... Protein is not the same as buying a car, ON might be "better quality", but why must I pay four times the price? I can get enough protein in my diet, while keeping my calories and carbs low enough to stay lean and still put on size while using "cheap" whey.

I'm assuming you take MP Assault as well?

ON isn't four times the price. ON gold standard is R1000 for 2.2kg, Nutritech 100% pure whey is R500 odd for 2kg. So about 2 times the price.

Gains are also not the same. There are countless reviews out there by people claiming that their gains improved with ON. The ON and Dymatize have a lot more isolate than cheaper proteins, is absorbed faster and therefore you pay a premium price.

Plus it tastes ****ing great.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying cheaper whey is bad ( except USNs and a few others ).

I don't take P/Ws, only good protein/bcaa/vitamins to help with recovery. Bean coffee is my pre workout .

Your argument can apply to almost anything. Why do people choose to buy nice cars? Nice house? Good food? An expensive merc does the same thing as a cheap kia, but it does it better. Same with protein powder.

Also http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2013-supplement-awards.html

 

[JerryMungo]

ON isn't four times the price. ON gold standard is R1000 for 2.2kg, Nutritech 100% pure whey is R500 odd for 2kg. So about 2 times the price.

Gains are also not the same. There are countless reviews out there by people claiming that their gains improved with ON. The ON and Dymatize have a lot more isolate than cheaper proteins, is absorbed faster and therefore you pay a premium price.

Plus it tastes ****ing great.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying cheaper whey is bad ( except USNs and a few others ).

I don't take P/Ws, only good protein/bcaa/vitamins to help with recovery. Bean coffee is my pre workout .

Your argument can apply to almost anything. Why do people choose to buy nice cars? Nice house? Good food? An expensive merc does the same thing as a cheap kia, but it does it better. Same with protein powder.

Also http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2013-supplement-awards.html

If it motivates you, then it's right for you, but IMO, you are they guy they are marketed at!

 

[Orihalcon]

There is a distinct difference in protein quality, however with that said it is not the reason why USN has garnered such a bad rep from the local fitness market.

The reasons are the amount of sugar, filler carbs like malto dextrose and the type of artificial sweetener they use.

These cause bloating and discomfort in many - not all mind you - users who use it. For the casual lifter that does not control his macros like an accountant his money and who does not strive for a body beyond that of most people, USN just won't do.

Top local brands such as Evox, SSN and Nutritech are great alternatives. But with that said I know people who have had bloating on the above three as well as ON. It's a value proposition that every consumer has to make.

Personally 3.2kg of pure whey for R599 is unbeatable and add in brilliant taste...you have my personal winner. Nutritech.

 

[Kornhub]

There is a distinct difference in protein quality, however with that said it is not the reason why USN has garnered such a bad rep from the local fitness market.

The reasons are the amount of sugar, filler carbs like malto dextrose and the type of artificial sweetener they use.

These cause bloating and discomfort in many - not all mind you - users who use it. For the casual lifter that does not control his macros like an accountant his money and who does not strive for a body beyond that of most people, USN just won't do.

Top local brands such as Evox, SSN and Nutritech are great alternatives. But with that said I know people who have had bloating on the above three as well as ON. It's a value proposition that every consumer has to make.

Personally 3.2kg of pure whey for R599 is unbeatable and add in brilliant taste...you have my personal winner. Nutritech.

Good deal man. Currently pay around 430 for usn hardcore whey gh :/

 

[HDS]

How does the label help and how long did you test these different supps to be able to say they make a difference in your gains? Some of us have been taking supps for 25 years

Well, on that little white label there is information about what your are buying. On it there is a thing called amino acid profile, and type and percentage of protein used. There is also a thing called PDCAAS rating .

Then enlighten us.

Okay. Aside from the awful taste, awful texture and price, we have something a lot more sinister. I mean who cares about the taste, as long as it works right?

There are countless people on some forums complaining that USN supplements just don't work. Their claims on many of their products are simply lies, and their product labels as well. It is well known by now that USN lies about their products.

http://www.camcheck.co.za/tag/usn/

Inb4 disgruntled users : http://www.sportingintelligence.com...-pills-implicated-in-multiple-drug-test-bans/

Are bodybuilding supplements checked in SA? Not as far as I know. One incident like the one with USN is enough to scare anybody off. With their history, we have no idea what they put in their supps, and therefore we should stay the **** away.

 

[HDS]

There is a distinct difference in protein quality, however with that said it is not the reason why USN has garnered such a bad rep from the local fitness market.

The reasons are the amount of sugar, filler carbs like malto dextrose and the type of artificial sweetener they use.

These cause bloating and discomfort in many - not all mind you - users who use it. For the casual lifter that does not control his macros like an accountant his money and who does not strive for a body beyond that of most people, USN just won't do.

Top local brands such as Evox, SSN and Nutritech are great alternatives. But with that said I know people who have had bloating on the above three as well as ON. It's a value proposition that every consumer has to make.

Personally 3.2kg of pure whey for R599 is unbeatable and add in brilliant taste...you have my personal winner. Nutritech.

Thanks, just another reason to avoid them.

 

[JerryMungo]

Well, on that little white label there is information about what your are buying. On it there is a thing called amino acid profile, and type and percentage of protein used. There is also a thing called PDCAAS rating .

Well then stop comparing apples with oranges?
Is an orange better than an apple since it has more vitamin c?

There are countless people on some forums complaining that USN supplements just don't work. Their claims on many of their products are simply lies, and their product labels as well. It is well known by now that USN lies about their products.

http://www.camcheck.co.za/tag/usn/

Inb4 disgruntled users : http://www.sportingintelligence.com...-pills-implicated-in-multiple-drug-test-bans/

Are bodybuilding supplements checked in SA? Not as far as I know. One incident like the one with USN is enough to scare anybody off. With their history, we have no idea what they put in their supps, and therefore we should stay the **** away.

That's great, but how are they better than ON?

100% natural?
What is Rebaudioside? Aminogen?

http://tinyurl.com/nr2jn5f

 

[HDS]

Well then stop comparing apples with oranges?
Is an orange better than an apple since it has more vitamin c?


That's great, but how are they better than ON?

100% natural?
What is Rebaudioside? Aminogen?

http://tinyurl.com/nr2jn5f

You joking right?

Who's that guy who took supplements for 25 years? Supps for bowel movement don't count btw.

Just out of curiosity, why do you say I'm comparing apples with oranges? They both have their different health benefits. In the case of protein powder, one is better than the other ( reasons listed already ), so shouldn't you be comparing a granny smith to an empire apple?

 

[JerryMungo]

You joking right?

Who's that guy who took supplements for 25 years? Supps for bowel movement don't count btw.

Me - I take them as suppliments though, not meal replacements. In other words, I eat well and occasionally suppliment with whey / casein. Not sure why bowel movements come to mind - perhaps it's the diarrhea the guys taking ON are complaining about?

Just out of curiosity, why do you say I'm comparing apples with oranges? They both have their different health benefits. In the case of protein powder, one is better than the other ( reasons listed already ), so shouldn't you be comparing a granny smith to an empire apple?

You were saying that ON trumps USN cos the ingredients are better. I'm saying you're likely comparing different products designed for different things.

 

[Nicodeamus]

There is an indirect correlation between body builder IQ and Steroid usage. Each to his own, but I could never understand the muscle building hype.

 

[HDS]

You were saying that ON trumps USN cos the ingredients are better. I'm saying you're likely comparing different products designed for different things.

??? So, what is USN protein powder designed for, if ON powder is designed to gain lean mass? Of course ingredients used in ON are of much higher quality than those used in USN, but that's not my problem with USN.

Also I wasn't directly comparing ON to USN, if you actually read my 3rd last post you will see my problem with USN. If you get so many complaints from all over that their **** doesn't work, you might want to reconsider your stance on them.

USN supplements are shiet, point.

PS Did you really ask what aminogen is? 25 years taking supplements, and you never bothered to look at the label to see if your protein powdah contains aminogen?

 

[JerryMungo]

??? So, what is USN protein powder designed for, if ON powder is designed to gain lean mass? Of course ingredients used in ON are of much higher quality than those used in USN, but that's not my problem with USN.

I get what the problem is now. You're comparing 'protein powder' with 'protein powder'.

Also I wasn't directly comparing ON to USN, if you actually read my 3rd last post you will see my problem with USN. If you get so many complaints from all over that their **** doesn't work, you might want to reconsider your stance on them.

OK, and if enough people vote ANC, they must be the best.

PS Did you really ask what aminogen is? 25 years taking supplements, and you never bothered to look at the label to see if your protein powdah contains aminogen?

So when was it developed? And why on earth would I be bothered with it? You'll notice that more supp branders tend to hide stuff behind trademarked names to make it look better than the competition. I can assure you that good genes and healthy eating can't be trumped with expensive powders, no matter what names they come up for their ingredients. We're back to where we started - they develop the stuff for people like you.

I believed the hype once upon a time so don't feel bad.
One of the first supps I was suckered into buying

That stuff cost me around R400 a pack around 1988

 

[HDS]

People like me? Explain.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. This isn't about the hype or the latest trend. I don't know why you even bring that up.

 

[JerryMungo]

People like me? Explain.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. This isn't about the hype or the latest trend. I don't know why you even bring that up.

Of course it is. It's about one brand being better than the next. It's old science and hasn't changed in a long time. The point is R400 protein is not going to get you further than R200 protein supp.

 

[HDS]

Of course it is. It's about one brand being better than the next. It's old science and hasn't changed in a long time. The point is R400 protein is not going to get you further than R200 protein supp.

You need supplements to help you with comprehension

 

[JerryMungo]

We agree to disagree HDS, let's call it a day

 

[HDS]

We agree to disagree HDS, let's call it a day

Okay oom.