Article: Take back land without paying: Malema

I dunno hey you might be too pale

Skin color got nothing to about it. I know black and white people that live happy in other countrys with refugee passports thanx to the landgrabs in Zim. One guy I know didn't even stay in Zimbabwe. He was in school with me in SA, was only born there but now has a AU passport.
 
This comes from a comment on News 24 site.
Please explain the term “PREVIOUSLY DISADVANTAGED”.

Kindly make special reference to following:

1. Who “disadvantaged” the ‘black’ people of the interior Southern Africa before the (supposed) belligerent ‘white’ settlers moved inland in the mid 19th century..? As certainly, what the ‘settlers’ found was not a hugely advanced infrastructure-, deep mines-, airports-, vast libraries of written works-, grandiose institutions of learning-, etc. No, as little as 170 years ago they found masses of black people (indigenous to the Southern tip of Africa ) living on the fringes of the stone age. Beings in skins, wielding sticks, living primitive dwellings, dragging- and carrying things around, who had not even invented the wheel yet.

2. Ethiopia – a country that was NEVER colonised. Today one of the most desolate places on the planet - who “disadvantaged” the people of Ethiopia ..?

3. Put Zimbabwe and Germany next to each other and please explain the differences. In 1945 Germany was (for all intents and purposes) flattened to ground and torn in half. Fifteen years later, West Germany was described as an “Economic Wonder”. Around the same time as the end of Apartheid , Germany was re-unified. It yanked the (unified) Germany back four centuries in time. Yet, in (around) fifteen years (for the second time a few decades) it built an ‘economic wonder’ – today, fast becoming a global leader in almost every aspect. Reminder: a lineage very strongly associated with... WHITE AFRIKAANS SPEAKING people... One the the ‘flip side’ – Zimbabwe – was handed one of the wealthiest countries in the WORLD (eg a currency that was worth more than the USA Dollar, etc) – what is it today..? Competing with Ethiopia to be the most desolate hell-hole on the planet..? Please explain...

I can carry on for days – but enough for now.

Just one more request: please.., pretty please.., kindly respect the intellect of our audience and refrain from cheap (ANC-like) red herrings – eg calling people “racists” – and kindly just answer the questions- directly and with tangible substance.

In parting, I would suggest the following,

- The term “Previously Disadvantaged’ is as much a fantasy, as is the delusional lunacy that threatens voters with the revenge of the ancestors (a bit like the “rapture” we are all eagerly awaiting, for the 4 017.75th time since 2000 alone...), the same delusional inanity that claims the words “KILL THE BOER” really, actually means – “come over to my mansion for tea and cookies”...

- You cannot take something from somebody WHO NEVER HAD IT..! In fact, what is it that white people, specifically white men, supposed to “give back” to black people..? Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain to me what it is that white men took from blacks?

--- LAND..? Blacks NEVER owned any land. Any form of formal ownership is a Western concept. The ‘black’ tribes of the mid 19th century haphazardly SETTLED in an ad hoc manner – effectively governed by tribal savagery – iow the most savage ruled the land (a bit like Hillbrow today). They simply ran away until they could not run anymore – not having ANY grasp of the concept of a horizon or for that matter any measure of finite land mass - eg the boundaries – that is the fundamental concept of ownership.

--- MINERALS..? More hallucinations aside – eg ancient gold mines... - a little bit like the Zimbabwe Ruins (the Pyramids, etc) – next to the magnificent structure, the indigenous people build stone-age dwellings out of dirt and sticks (at best emulating the birds). Minerals beneficiation is an entirely Imperialist/Western concept – in fact, in many ways it saw some of the most tangible advances, by WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN MEN – just peruse some of the academic paper at Wits’ Engineering Library.

--- WEALTH..? Money-, Capital- and the pivotal mechanisms of the wealth that allows you to breath, eat, have children, live a rather healthy productive and fulfilling live, but also allowed the cognitive development that leads you to make your daft comments here – it is ALL of Western origins. In fact, the key advancements in modern finance- and economics were made by the... ....DUTCH. Why do you think it is called ‘Wall Street’..? It was initially ‘Wal Straat’ – yes my dear, the Dutch took their cognitive substance there as well... The same Dutch that were the most direct decedents of the people that landed at the Cape in 1650 - in fact, the modern ‘WEALTH system’ was originated by the Dutch and it funded the explorations around the tip of Africa .

--- Perhaps we took their aeroplanes-, their Breitling watches, their Italian Suits, or their German luxury limousines, their ‘Blue Light Brigades’ or perhaps their Space Shuttles..? Mmmm... I just hate the implicit assumption that ‘white’ stole from ‘blacks’...

Malema is a complete idiot and this taking back of land is just another situation proving his extreme stupidity and ignorance. I'd even go as far as saying that this guy is an enemy of humanity at this stage.

However, to the poster I quoted above. You say nothing to help the situation, it is because of characters such as yourself that people like Malema were born in the first place. The entire post above is supposed to serve as some kind of reasoning that everything brought on by SA's colonisation was good and that the colonists just brought a bunch of good stuff and took nothing for themselves.

Don't be ridiculous and stop adding to the stupidity Malema's already contributing to.
 
Cloudster;6318343.......... it is because of characters such as yourself that people like Malema were born in the first place. ..........[/QUOTE said:
I though it was Malema's father that did the job? A poor one for that matter as I blame his parents as I am 100% poor that Malema is a very unlikely survivor of extreme malnutrition that also prevented proper development of his brain capacity.
 
I though it was Malema's father that did the job? A poor one for that matter as I blame his parents as I am 100% poor that Malema is a very unlikely survivor of extreme malnutrition that also prevented proper development of his brain capacity.

It is ignorance which is your greatest enemy. His mom was/is a domestic helper and he grew up in an underprivelaged home. That is no excuse for the pathetic amount of stupidity he displays but to understand the idiot we are now dealing with you have to know some of his background. He felt that his mom and him were mistreated by white people in the past and now that he has a position of power he has a lot of hatred stacked up against white people. He is also a greedy swine who will stop at nothing when it comes to self enrichment.
 
It is ignorance which is your greatest enemy. His mom was/is a domestic helper and he grew up in an underprivelaged home. That is no excuse for the pathetic amount of stupidity he displays but to understand the idiot we are now dealing with you have to know some of his background. He felt that his mom and him were mistreated by white people in the past and now that he has a position of power he has a lot of hatred stacked up against white people. He is also a greedy swine who will stop at nothing when it comes to self enrichment.

Well said.. he reminds me of the arrogant ANC buffoon that lived in the unit on top of mine, some years ago when I used to rent a townhouse. That stupid fool held a similar grudge, saying I was responsible for his past misery.
 
I'm sure the Khoisan are delighted they can just take their land back from Malema and his bunto buddies who came down south and stole it.
um... It was the white colonialists who stole the land from the Khoisan
 
This comes from a comment on News 24 site.
Please explain the term “PREVIOUSLY DISADVANTAGED”.

Kindly make special reference to following:

1. Who “disadvantaged” the ‘black’ people of the interior Southern Africa before the (supposed) belligerent ‘white’ settlers moved inland in the mid 19th century..? As certainly, what the ‘settlers’ found was not a hugely advanced infrastructure-, deep mines-, airports-, vast libraries of written works-, grandiose institutions of learning-, etc. No, as little as 170 years ago they found masses of black people (indigenous to the Southern tip of Africa ) living on the fringes of the stone age. Beings in skins, wielding sticks, living primitive dwellings, dragging- and carrying things around, who had not even invented the wheel yet.

2. Ethiopia – a country that was NEVER colonised. Today one of the most desolate places on the planet - who “disadvantaged” the people of Ethiopia ..?

3. Put Zimbabwe and Germany next to each other and please explain the differences. In 1945 Germany was (for all intents and purposes) flattened to ground and torn in half. Fifteen years later, West Germany was described as an “Economic Wonder”. Around the same time as the end of Apartheid , Germany was re-unified. It yanked the (unified) Germany back four centuries in time. Yet, in (around) fifteen years (for the second time a few decades) it built an ‘economic wonder’ – today, fast becoming a global leader in almost every aspect. Reminder: a lineage very strongly associated with... WHITE AFRIKAANS SPEAKING people... One the the ‘flip side’ – Zimbabwe – was handed one of the wealthiest countries in the WORLD (eg a currency that was worth more than the USA Dollar, etc) – what is it today..? Competing with Ethiopia to be the most desolate hell-hole on the planet..? Please explain...

I can carry on for days – but enough for now.

Just one more request: please.., pretty please.., kindly respect the intellect of our audience and refrain from cheap (ANC-like) red herrings – eg calling people “racists” – and kindly just answer the questions- directly and with tangible substance.

In parting, I would suggest the following,

- The term “Previously Disadvantaged’ is as much a fantasy, as is the delusional lunacy that threatens voters with the revenge of the ancestors (a bit like the “rapture” we are all eagerly awaiting, for the 4 017.75th time since 2000 alone...), the same delusional inanity that claims the words “KILL THE BOER” really, actually means – “come over to my mansion for tea and cookies”...

- You cannot take something from somebody WHO NEVER HAD IT..! In fact, what is it that white people, specifically white men, supposed to “give back” to black people..? Can someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE explain to me what it is that white men took from blacks?

--- LAND..? Blacks NEVER owned any land. Any form of formal ownership is a Western concept. The ‘black’ tribes of the mid 19th century haphazardly SETTLED in an ad hoc manner – effectively governed by tribal savagery – iow the most savage ruled the land (a bit like Hillbrow today). They simply ran away until they could not run anymore – not having ANY grasp of the concept of a horizon or for that matter any measure of finite land mass - eg the boundaries – that is the fundamental concept of ownership.

--- MINERALS..? More hallucinations aside – eg ancient gold mines... - a little bit like the Zimbabwe Ruins (the Pyramids, etc) – next to the magnificent structure, the indigenous people build stone-age dwellings out of dirt and sticks (at best emulating the birds). Minerals beneficiation is an entirely Imperialist/Western concept – in fact, in many ways it saw some of the most tangible advances, by WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN MEN – just peruse some of the academic paper at Wits’ Engineering Library.

--- WEALTH..? Money-, Capital- and the pivotal mechanisms of the wealth that allows you to breath, eat, have children, live a rather healthy productive and fulfilling live, but also allowed the cognitive development that leads you to make your daft comments here – it is ALL of Western origins. In fact, the key advancements in modern finance- and economics were made by the... ....DUTCH. Why do you think it is called ‘Wall Street’..? It was initially ‘Wal Straat’ – yes my dear, the Dutch took their cognitive substance there as well... The same Dutch that were the most direct decedents of the people that landed at the Cape in 1650 - in fact, the modern ‘WEALTH system’ was originated by the Dutch and it funded the explorations around the tip of Africa .

--- Perhaps we took their aeroplanes-, their Breitling watches, their Italian Suits, or their German luxury limousines, their ‘Blue Light Brigades’ or perhaps their Space Shuttles..? Mmmm... I just hate the implicit assumption that ‘white’ stole from ‘blacks’...

This is BS. It's quite obvious that blacks were disadvantaged during colonial times and apartheid. Yes, apartheid, that piece of history you would like to forget ever happened. Ethopia is not in SA and Etheopians do not fall into the category of previusly disadvantaged. The term is used only in SA and applies only to South Africans. An Etheopian coming to SA to find a job does not fall into the category of previously disadvantaged, so that is nonsense. The differences between Zimbabwe and Germany? Well Germany is surrounded by the wealth of Europe while Zimbabwe is surrounded by the poverty of Africa. The allies in Europe defeated Hitler, but Europe supported Mugabe right up until he got stroppy with white farmers - the evil he did before that was conveniantly ignored. Germany had the support of europe in rebuilding after hitler, zim has no support.
Just because the black tribes did not have formal ownership of land according to the laws and regulations of Europe (how could they?) doesn't mean anything. They lived there, raised families, grew food - for all intents and purposes it was their land. You get pissed of by the assumption that whites stole from blacks? How many millions of Black people were stolen to Europe and America to be sold as slaves? there is no assumption here, you need to read a history book.
 
This is BS. It's quite obvious that blacks were disadvantaged during colonial times and apartheid. Yes, apartheid, that piece of history you would like to forget ever happened. Ethopia is not in SA and Etheopians do not fall into the category of previusly disadvantaged. The term is used only in SA and applies only to South Africans. An Etheopian coming to SA to find a job does not fall into the category of previously disadvantaged, so that is nonsense. .....

Well actually an Ethiopian who, for instance, came to South Africa in 2002 and is now a full South African citizen will get all the benefits of a black south african, including all the freebies like AA. A guy I work with, who is from Zambia, is an example of this situation happening.

The government does not require it to be verified that the black person was actually disadvantaged by apartheid etc, all south african blacks get preferential treatment. That is why AA/BEE is a racist policy, nothing more, nothing less.
 
um... It was the white colonialists who stole the land from the Khoisan

Only in the Cape - in the rest of the country it was the tribes from Central Africa.

KZN, Limpopo, Free State and Gauteng being the best examples.
 
Only in the Cape - in the rest of the country it was the tribes from Central Africa.

KZN, Limpopo, Free State and Gauteng being the best examples.

Nope, archaeological evidence shows that the Khoisan predominantly lived in the dry parts of Southern Africa i.e. The Cape, Namibia and some parts of Botswana. Before the arrival of Europeans the Bantu tribes predominantly stayed East of the Fish river in South Africa because they were primarily agricultural and could not change to the hunter-gather ways of the Khoisan in order to survive in the desert. As time went on however trade began with the Khoisan and the Xhosa/Zulus in the Western/Eastern Cape and the Khoisan there had become cattle farmers by the time Europeans arrived in the Cape.

The Bantu cultures largely fought with each other, not the Khoisan. The Khoisan in other parts of SA were largely assimilated into various Bantu cultures, evidence of this contact are the Khoisan clicks that are part of several South African indigenous languages. What devastated the Khoisan populations in Namibia and the Cape was genocide and disease introduced from Europe, and rape.

That being said, Julius is a racist bigot.
 
Nope, the San people were quite prevalent in KZN, their rock art can still be found in the Drakensburg, whereto they fled in order to get away from the invading tribes that would later make up the Zulu nation.

The same applies to many other parts of the country.
 
Nope, the San people were quite prevalent in KZN, their rock art can still be found in the Drakensburg, whereto they fled in order to get away from the invading tribes that would later make up the Zulu nation.

The same applies to many other parts of the country.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the The Khoisan were ONLY found in the Cape/Kalahari. I'm saying that is where they were concentrated.
 
I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the The Khoisan were ONLY found in the Cape/Kalahari. I'm saying that is where they were concentrated.

Yes, and I am saying that there are many areas where they were present before being chased out by invading tribes - and that in these areas they should have land claims superceding those of the invading tribes.
 
Yes, and I am saying that there are many areas where they were present before being chased out by invading tribes - and that in these areas they should have land claims superceding those of the invading tribes.

That's right some were displaced and some were assimilated, but the majority of Khoisan genocide was caused by early European settlers. The Bantu could have easily wiped them out but as I said, they largely fought with each other. Land claims are BS IMO, they cause chaos and then what? You end up with a Zimbabwe. All borders today were established due to war/conquest so it makes no sense to continually drag up the past.
 
Land claims are government policy, and people like Malema, who will be president of this country within 10 years, keep demanding more, whether you like it or not.
 
Land claims are government policy, and people like Malema, who will be president of this country within 10 years, keep demanding more, whether you like it or not.

What is the point of this post exactly? Do you think I don't know this? I said land claims are BS IMO. I'm well aware that Julius feels otherwise. Aside from voting DA there's really not that much I can do about it.
 
So - we all descended from a cave dweller in Maropeng, walked all the way to Australia, lost our hair, got a sun tan, turned pale, and now we're back here.
 
You are all correct, but people like JM, our next president, would like to impose arbitrary cut-offs, that obviously suit their own agendas.
 
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