Article: Tshwane street name battle continues

The Tshwane municipality will have to spend over R2.6 million to re-erect old street names, the High Court in Pretoria heard on Wednesday.

Terry Motau SC, for the municipality, also argued that there was no proof that anyone had been harmed by the name changes,
 
Thank you Afriforum for once again standing up against the injustices of post apartheid SA.
 
It's fine to change street names that are offensive, but to change them just for the sake of changing is not on. The money spent could be better used elsewhere where the country needs it most.
 
Wyzak said:
Thank you Afriforum for once again standing up against the injustices of post apartheid SA.
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I wonder if Afriforum will be fighting the name changes in Cape Town as well:

Coen Steytler Avenue renamed Walter Sisulu Avenue
Hendrik Verwoerd Drive to Uys Krige Drive
Modderdam Road to Robert Sobukwe Road
Lansdowne Road (between Turfhall and Palmyra roads) to Imam Haron Road
Lansdowne road (between Wetton and Swartklip roads) to Japhta K Masemola Road
Lansdowne Road (between Swartklip and Baden Powell roads) to Govan Mbeki Road
Athlone Civic Centre becomes the Dulcie September Civic Centre
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The only one above I can see that might of caused offense is probably Hendrik Verwoerd Drive
 
Why don't they give the streets numbers like in NY that way it would be easier and more acceptable to everyone. They have to put their stamp down like a dog or cat marking it's territory. This Mayor of Pta is a dangerous lose moron with a cheque book that isn't his. They should recover the costs from their personal accounts.
 
To be honest its quite difficult finding your way in pretoria since i know the street names and use them to get around, and now the the old street names are no longer up i don't even know what street i am on.

I thought that the old street names were to stay on for a minimum of 3 years before they were to be removed?
 
The High Court in Pretoria will rule on Thursday in an application for leave to appeal against an interdict preventing the removal of old Tshwane street names.

Granting the interdict to lobby group AfriForum on April 19, Judge Bill Prinsloo ordered the Tshwane metro to stop removing old street names pending the conclusion of an adjudication process.

He also ordered the municipality to put back the street names it had removed.

In its appeal on Wednesday, the Tshwane municipality told the court it would have to spend over R2.6 million to re-erect the old street names.

Terry Motau SC, for the municipality, also argued that there was no proof that anyone had been harmed by the name changes,

He argued that AfriForum had "alarmingly and glaringly" failed to prove that it would suffer any harm at all, let alone irreparable harm.

MP van der Merwe, for AfriForum, said an interim interdict was not appealable.

"What can ever be harmful to restoring those well-known, respected names that had been there for decades? At least no one will be lost," he said.

Van der Merwe said the city had only itself to blame if it had to spend over R2m to put the names back.


Source : Sapa /aa/clh/mom
Date : 13 Jun 2013 02:01
 
"What is cultural about changing a street name from Vermeulen to Madiba?" Motau said.
why you want to change them in the first place you twat.
 
"...Tshwane's March 2012 resolution to change the "offensive" names of 25 streets."

LoL. Like 'Zambesi' yeah, really offensive. It's not even a municiple road, it's a provincial road, but it got changed.

The only time the city council is actually efficient, is when they do crap like this. They really should rather focus on service delivery, instead of wasting their money. Oh wait, they don't even have any money, they're already bankrupt.
 
Pretoria has to put old Street Names Back

The High Court in Pretoria has denied an application for leave to appeal against an interdict stopping the removal of Pretoria's old street names, the SABC reported on Thursday.

Judge Bill Prinsloo dismissed the application with costs.

The City of Tshwane now had six days to comply with a court order to display Pretoria's old street names with the new ones.

In April, Prinsloo granted the interdict to lobby group AfriForum, ordering the Tshwane metro to stop removing old street names pending the conclusion of an adjudication process. He ordered the municipality to put back the names it had removed.

In its appeal on Wednesday, the municipality told the court it would have to spend over R2.6 million to re-erect the old signs.

Terry Motau, for the municipality, argued there was no proof anyone had been harmed by the name changes. He said AfriForum had "alarmingly and glaringly" failed to prove it would suffer any harm at all, let alone irreparable harm.

MP van der Merwe, for AfriForum, said an interim interdict was not appealable.

"What can ever be harmful to restoring those well-known, respected names that had been there for decades? At least no one will be lost," he said.

Van der Merwe said the city only had itself to blame if it had to spend over R2m to put back the names.


Source : Sapa /gq/hdw/th/clh
Date : 13 Jun 2013 16:16
 
In its appeal on Wednesday, the municipality told the court it would have to spend over R2.6 million to re-erect the old signs.
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And whose fault is that ?

Whoever made the decision to remove them in the first place should pay for them to be replaced.
 
PTA must restore street names

It was in the interests of justice for finality to be reached in the Tshwane street name saga, a High Court in Pretoria judge said on Thursday.

Judge Bill Prinsloo dismissed the Tshwane Municipality's application for leave to appeal an interim order, granted in April, interdicting the city from removing old street names and ordering it to re-install old signs which have already been removed.

The order was granted after an urgent application by civil rights group AfriForum pending the outcome of its application to set aside Tshwane's 2012 resolution to change the "offensive" names of 25 streets.

Prinsloo ruled that his findings on the urgency of the application and the interim interdict he granted were not appealable.

He said the interim order did not amount to a final or definitive finding regarding the rights of any of the parties, and did not interfere with the executive function of the municipality.

There was no chance that another court would come to a different conclusion, he said.

Referring to an Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) case in which the National Treasury successfully appealed against an interim order stopping e-tolling, Prinsloo said the present case was a far cry from the perceived financial consequences in the Outa case.

"In my view, the interim relief does not have an immediate and substantial effect, including serious, immediate and ongoing harm.

"It only perpetuated the status quo involving the retention of the old names under the new names.

"The names have probably been in use for more than a century, are widely known, quite harmless and [their retention is] sure to avoid confusion," he said.

Prinsloo said the balance of convenience favoured AfriForum, which sought to protect cultural rights, and which stood to be prejudiced if the status quo was not maintained. There was no harm or prejudice whatsoever for the municipality.

He said the R2.6-million it would cost to restore the old names was because of the city's own conduct. It had had no justifiable reason to remove them at a time when a review application was pending.

The order also did not interfere with executive function, because the new names, which were installed in March 2011, had remained where they were pending the review application.

Prinsloo said an appeal against the interim order could take longer to finalise than the review application, and could delay it for a long time, rendering the proceedings moot.

Such a state of affairs could not be tolerated and was not in the interest of justice, he said.

AfriForum's Kallie Kriel welcomed the ruling, but said it was not the end of its struggle for the city to recognise the rights of cultural groups.

Tshwane still had a few days left before the court's deadline to restore the road signs, but if it failed to do so AfriForum would consider appropriate steps, he said.

He hoped the review would be heard before the end of the year or early next year
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This town is now the centre of confusion.
 
Ag although it was a waste in the first place and clear indication of priorities in the wrong order, having them reinstated is even more of a waste.

It's only street signs ffs, cities around the world do it, just leave it they are more relative to our recent history anyway.
 
Terry Motau SC, for the municipality, also argued that there was no proof that anyone had been harmed by the name changes
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The economy of the country has been harmed you twit and it will remain under constant strain as a ruling party is looking for more ways to get votes by using public funds as a vehicle to win next year's elections again!
 
blah99 said:
It's fine to change street names that are offensive, but to change them just for the sake of changing is not on. The money spent could be better used elsewhere where the country needs it most.
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The frantic ANC rush to change all the old names is simply to hide the fact their ancestors were too ignorant, idol and lacking in IQ to do anything more than build mud huts. Prior to the first Pretoria stone being laid in 1855 there was nothing at all.
 
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