Attacked by pitbull

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i can't seem to find a post like this in CA so here goes....

An elderly Eldorado Park woman was mauled to death by her pit bull-terriers on Tuesday afternoon, Johannesburg police said.

Captain Phillemon Khorombi said the two dogs attacked the 74-year-old in her yard around 2pm.

"It seems the dogs were very angry but we don't really have more information as to how the incident happened."

An inquest docket was opened. - Sapa
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20081118184523884C782958


An elderly woman was mauled to death by her own pit bull-terriers in Eldorado Park, south of Johannesburg yesterday.

Witnesses said Grace Page, in her 70's, was watering her garden when a group of children asked if they could have some peaches from her tree.

At that moment her black male American pit bull-terrier found its way through a fence that separated the dogs from the front garden.

Neighbour Errol Jacobs said the dog attacked Page for no reason.

He jumped up and tore her cheek off. When she fell to the ground the dog immediately started biting at her face.




"If you've seen the movie Face Off, you'll know what it was like. Her one eye lay next to her and you could see the white of her scalp. I am shaking just thinking about it," said Jacobs.

A female dog also made her way to the front garden and joined the attack. Jacobs said the dogs would not let go of Page, even though neighbours threw boiling water, stones and bricks at them. It was only after police arrived that the dogs were shot.

Police had to climb on to the roof of the house to shoot the dogs. Jacobs said even after three shots to the head, the male dog was still aggressively pacing the yard.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20081119055538154C146794


Why do pet dogs turn into killers?

Puppy owners have a "golden time period" of five months to train a friendly, sociable dog and prevent incidents like the deadly pitbull terrier attack in Johannesburg this week, says an animal behaviourist.

"You must do it before they are 5-months-old," said Quixi Sonntag, a lecturer in animal behaviour at the faculty of veterinary science at Onderstepoort in Pretoria.

A 74-year-old woman from Eldorado Park in Johannesburg was mauled to death this week by her son's two pitbull terriers, which attacked her while she was watering the garden.

"It is extremely important to make sure that a young dog is correctly socialised. From as little as a few weeks up to four months is the golden time period," said Sonntag.




"You should be exposing your puppies to sound, handling, going to different places, different surfaces, difference races, big people, little people."

If this was not done, an older dog might be scared of the unknown and could react with aggression to a situation it was not comfortable with.

This was especially important in breeds that tended to be more aggressive, like guard dogs, terrier breeds and specifically the fighting breeds.

Sonntag said fighting dogs such as terriers were bred to fight without giving their victim any warning, unlike other dog breeds which would normally first give warning signs.

"They are originally bred not to show warning signs, they were bred to jump in and fight."

The obvious warning signs of a dog that could attack was growling and hair raising.

"But before that, most dogs will show calming signals, like looking away, turning the head, licking the lips, yawning, sitting down and keeping their bodies low. That usually means they need time out," said Sonntag.

She believes children need to be educated in schools on how to treat dogs and what to do if a dog shows signs of attacking.

"The common things children need to understand, is to not interfere when dogs are sleeping and eating. When it shows it doesn't want to interact, if it is growling or walking away from you, do not go and mess with it."

What should one do when a dog is about to attack?

"Stand still like tree, don't wave your arms, look away, do not shout and then, very, very slowly, walk backwards."

Getting dogs off a victim during an attack could be very difficult, said Sonntag, especially if more than one dog was involved in the attack.

"In less severe cases, throwing a blanket over a dog could startle it. Sometimes you need to pinch it or pull its tail to cause another focus point but there is no quick fix."

In the case of the Eldorado Park attack, the dogs were eventually shot at to get them to loosen their grips.

"You can push your hand into its throat so that it loses its grip," said Sonntag.

Dogs which were punished for bad behaviour by their owners tended to be more aggressive than dogs that receive treats for good behaviour.

"They don't perceive punishment as a learning exercise; they perceive it as a conflict," said Sonntag.

Marcelle Meredith, executive director of the national council of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, said the reasons for dog attacks differed from situation to situation, but that ultimately, as with people, their behaviour was mainly linked to how they grew up.

"It depends how you raise your animals... and if something goes wrong in a loving environment, then there is something wrong with the animal," said Meredith.

SPCA spokesperson Christine Kuch said sometimes dog owners were responsible for attacks.

"People say: 'He suddenly just turned on the children.' But that dog probably just got sick and tired of being dressed in fancy Christmas hats."

The SPCA does not have statistics on the number of dog bites which occur in South Africa on an annual basis and neither does Statistics South Africa.

Sonntag said even though such data did not seem to be available in South Africa, "one thing is certain, more people are killed by other people than the number of people who are killed by dogs".

According to United States website dogbitelaw.com, the number of fatal dog attacks in the US last year stood at 33.

That was roughly double the average in the prior two decades.

The yearly average for fatal dog bites in the US was 17 in the 1980s and 1990s.

The website said more than 50 percent of bites occurred on the dog owner's property and that most victims were children. - Sapa
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20081120092225514C173433
 
...so i've been trying to follow this whole dog story,

are they dangerous ?
do they just kill ?
does the circumstances make them so ?
aren't all animals animals in the end ?
 
one reason why ill never own one of these dogs, pitbulls, bull terriors... staffies...
they are trouble, always have been and always will..
Spose its a lot to do with how they are bred and brought up...
 
...one could ask, who is most dangerous animal here man or dog :rolleyes:
 
...so i've been trying to follow this whole dog story,

are they dangerous ?
do they just kill ?
does the circumstances make them so ?
aren't all animals animals in the end ?

1. Yes they are very dangerous
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes

Pitbulls are very lovely dogs, but if they are not handled correctly when being raised they will be killers. This is not the full story behind the attack, in my mind I would think these kids stayed next door. As kids are they would have teased the dogs walking past the gate and what not. The moment the dogs saw the kids in the back yard up in the tree they would have attacked. I think the woman then tried to intervene and got attacked herself.

I have had Pitbulls and I have seen Pitbulls being bread just for protection. I can tell you that a well trained Pitbull will be a ticking time bomb. A normal social dog can be any kind or bread it will not attack if raised correctly. Give it love and it will never let you down. Turn it into a soldier and it will turn on you or your loved ones one day.


one reason why ill never own one of these dogs, pitbulls, bull terriors... staffies...
they are trouble, always have been and always will..
Spose its a lot to do with how they are bred and brought up...

You're very uneducated when it comes to dogs ;) Staffies are the most loving dogs in the world ;)
 
one reason why ill never own one of these dogs, pitbulls, bull terriors... staffies...
they are trouble, always have been and always will..
Spose its a lot to do with how they are bred and brought up...

I had two bull terriers and later a staffie. All 3 of these dogs were beautiful and very intelligent animals. I never had problems with them, and nobody ever cameonto the yard uninvited.:rolleyes:
 
You're very uneducated when it comes to dogs Staffies are the most loving dogs in the world

+1. Best dog I ever had was a staffie; loyal and loving. No rocket scientest though :D
 
Something you need to keep in mind Pitbulls and Staffies are 2 similar looking but very different breeds.
My parents kept Staffies as pets for decades because they had such a lovely temperament and could be trusted around children.
This was also partially due to how we brought them up. They got used to us roughhousing with them as little children.
They were also pure-bred Staffies and not crossed with anything. I've seen some people cross them with Pitbulls and then try pass them off as pure-bred because they don't understand just how different the breeds are.

Personally I'd happily own a Staffie if I had a small child but I would never ever own a Pitbull.
Upbringing has a lot to do with it but I personally feel that Pitbulls have too much of an unpredictable streak regardless of their upbringing.
 
You're very uneducated when it comes to dogs ;) Staffies are the most loving dogs in the world ;)
i blame my parents, never had puppies.... :p

1. Yes they are very dangerous
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes

Pitbulls are very lovely dogs, but if they are not handled correctly when being raised they will be killers. This is not the full story behind the attack, in my mind I would think these kids stayed next door. As kids are they would have teased the dogs walking past the gate and what not. The moment the dogs saw the kids in the back yard up in the tree they would have attacked. I think the woman then tried to intervene and got attacked herself.

I have had Pitbulls and I have seen Pitbulls being bread just for protection. I can tell you that a well trained Pitbull will be a ticking time bomb. A normal social dog can be any kind or bread it will not attack if raised correctly. Give it love and it will never let you down. Turn it into a soldier and it will turn on you or your loved ones one day.
makes sense.
 
You're very uneducated when it comes to dogs ;) Staffies are the most loving dogs in the world ;)

Ok ill admit im not a big dog fan - had many over the years while i was growing up. Alsations though, which are amasing, grew incredibly attached and when my dog died, i swore never to get another one. That and they are heavy maintenance...

I do not classify myself as a dog guru.

I have to admit though, im probably wrong by including staffies in the mix. My buddy has a staffy and that thing wont harm a fly, beautiful dog.

Ive watched a friends dog get shredded by a pitbull. If im in that position again, ill kill the thing without thought, thats how i feel about em..

Their nature is proportional to the owners care for it.
 
Ok ill admit im not a big dog fan - had many over the years while i was growing up. Alsations though, which are amasing, grew incredibly attached and when my dog died, i swore never to get another one. That and they are heavy maintenance...

I do not classify myself as a dog guru.

I have to admit though, im probably wrong by including staffies in the mix. My buddy has a staffy and that thing wont harm a fly, beautiful dog.

Ive watched a friends dog get shredded by a pitbull. If im in that position again, ill kill the thing without thought, thats how i feel about em..

Their nature is proportional to the owners care for it.

Yes, I agree Pitbulls are killers, but only when raised incorrectly.

Staffies, eish. They are the sweetest dogs on the planet and damn brilliant watch dogs :)
 
Staffie's are very loyal, but damn they're stupid. I had two of them, loved em', but I've eaten salad's with a higher IQ. The difference between a Staffie and a Pitbull is that Staffies were bread for bull baiting (The act of allowing dogs to attack a bull in order to tenderise the flesh while killing the animal), and Pitbulls, which are descendant of Staffies, were bred for pit-fighting.

Would you really want either dog breed around your kids?

Claiming that they'll protect them is a stupid point, because they'd probably get into a frenzy and shred the kids, themselves and whatever else is is a 10ft radius.
 
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The American Pitbull is one of a few breeds that has absolutely no place in any home. Why? They are by nature absolutely unpredictable. The Staffie is just a menace around other dogs and it's a pity owners don't keep them on leashes on the beach.
 
That explains Pitbull's name change...

Nope, you got it wrong ;)

I will stand by it that those kids provoked that dog till the day I die ;) It has nothing to do with my username change I just wanted to use my WoW char's name instead and stop posting crap :D
 
Nope, you got it wrong ;)

I will stand by it that those kids provoked that dog till the day I die ;) It has nothing to do with my username change I just wanted to use my WoW char's name instead and stop posting crap :D

Twas a little funny I made there pit..ah...staalbal...:D:D
 
...Staffies were bread for bull baiting (The act of allowing dogs to attack a bull in order to tenderise the flesh while killing the animal)
How would baiting a bull tenderize it? Tenderized steak with dag drool all over it anyone?:sick:
 
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