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Bandwidth theft - procedure and contacts to solve
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kevinswan007
Expert Member
yes
Well I have paid the fine now and have gotten my pc back, I also found out that there is no criminal record because I was not sentenced in court.
I wont stipulate how much the fine is, all I can say is don't do it. And I am in jhb.
I have scanned and attached the search warrant....
http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07593_Untitled-5_122_915lo.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07598_Untitled-6_122_1051lo.jpg
I wont stipulate how much the fine is, all I can say is don't do it. And I am in jhb.
I have scanned and attached the search warrant....
http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07593_Untitled-5_122_915lo.jpg
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07598_Untitled-6_122_1051lo.jpg
Aw, cant you give us a rough figure.. Wonder how much they escalate it by./?
Yes this is a thread about Bandwith theft and I believe this is serious and the worst case scenario is that nobody seems to be taking it serious enough to get the cops involved and if we do get the cops involved what are they actually going to do for us they can't even help you when your house gets robbed. We are stuffed.
Hey at least you can shoot the robber if he breaks into your property how the heck do you shoot at someone that lives in another province, while he actually steals your info right under your noise while you browsingon the net.
These culprits know excatly what they are doing and they also know that catching them is a mission and getting them prosecuted is almost impossible. I say we catch them ourselfs then we break there hacking fingers one at a time. So know we just need to find some P.I to track them down.
Hey at least you can shoot the robber if he breaks into your property how the heck do you shoot at someone that lives in another province, while he actually steals your info right under your noise while you browsingon the net.
These culprits know excatly what they are doing and they also know that catching them is a mission and getting them prosecuted is almost impossible. I say we catch them ourselfs then we break there hacking fingers one at a time. So know we just need to find some P.I to track them down.
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
It's a R1500 fine.
UnUnOctium
Expert Member
Actually, you may not shoot a robber
, it's illegal to open fire unless he does first (or so i heard :S). So yea, work up a trust with the robber, offer him some tea, etc.ld13
Honorary Master
Actually, you may not shoot a robber
LOL
You may shoot if:
a) The said person is a Direct danger to you or someone else
b) Dont ask me, I dont Know the law.
Generally, if you dont just shoot him for the heck of it (he is standing without a weapon and poses no threat to anyone), the court will be on your side. They are truly on your side you know.
Conkill, I have to agree with you. The culprits know exactly what they are doing and you will be surprised as how easy it is to obtain the username & password of someone's network that is not secure. The chance that any non-tech savvy person will notice you taking a few gigs, is less than 0%. The culprits also know that it is too much schlep to report these things in the first place too.
If we could only access the database that links your port number with your home address we could maybe "do" something about this small problem ourselves.
JQ444
Active Member
Been buying extra gig for the last three months now - first time since I've started using Telkom ADSL in 2000 that I get capped so regularly and it happens in the 3rd week of the month.
I cannot get any joy from anybody at Telkom - they cannot produce any IP addresses where certain downloads on my usage reports have been made from. The one was 400mb on a day that we weren't even at home. They are like shopkeepers who charge you for goods that they cannot prove are in your shopping trolley.
I have given up - the SAPS at my local station have no idea what I'm talking about, let alone being able to solve the matter for me. It just piles up the frustrations.
What I would like to find out from all the very intelligent peeps here is how much bandwidth could be absorbed by Facebook? It's the only criteria that has changed in my 7 yrs of bad marriage with Telkom.
I cannot get any joy from anybody at Telkom - they cannot produce any IP addresses where certain downloads on my usage reports have been made from. The one was 400mb on a day that we weren't even at home. They are like shopkeepers who charge you for goods that they cannot prove are in your shopping trolley.
I have given up - the SAPS at my local station have no idea what I'm talking about, let alone being able to solve the matter for me. It just piles up the frustrations.
What I would like to find out from all the very intelligent peeps here is how much bandwidth could be absorbed by Facebook? It's the only criteria that has changed in my 7 yrs of bad marriage with Telkom.
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
Search the forum for "Captian Niemand".
kevinswan007
Expert Member
just change your adsl password and change your adsl router password.
it wont happen again.
also, if you REALLY want to be sure, switch off the router when you are not using it. That way, you can prove it was not you, cause telkom can see when your router is on or not.
it wont happen again.
also, if you REALLY want to be sure, switch off the router when you are not using it. That way, you can prove it was not you, cause telkom can see when your router is on or not.
PostmanPot
Honorary Master
Do that and phone Capt. Niemand.
JQ444
Active Member
I change my passwords on a regular basis.
All I get from Telkom is that all traffic went through my port, therefore they are not going to investigate the matter any further. What totally frustrates me is when you ask if they can trace where a specific download was made from (there were a few in excess of 200mb last month, none of them done by any of us and twice on days that we were not at home), and they cannot tell you. They apparently don't keep track of that information. To me that information is very important.
Maybe I should add here that we run a wireless network at home between 4 computers, all with firewalls, anti-virus, etc. Other than the basic software updates, nothing else is really downloaded onto these computers. My daughter has discovered Facebook, and as far as I can tell, it works similar to Yahoo Messenger, therefore no serious extra demand on the bandwidth - at least not to the tune of 3GB in 2 and a half weeks. Or so I hope.
Anyway, the extra 2GB that I have on standby is really slow. Somewhere in the username it has "2GBsh" and it seems to me that it is shared bandwidth. It is incredibly slow on local and very seldom successful on international. Basically just helps to do mail. They also don't have a solution for me in terms of an upgraded account for this household. I can go for 4GB unshaped or two portions of 3GB shaped, but they don't have a bigger account available (say, 6GB).
As for Capt Niemand, I'm searching... thanks for the feedback, every little bit helps.
All I get from Telkom is that all traffic went through my port, therefore they are not going to investigate the matter any further. What totally frustrates me is when you ask if they can trace where a specific download was made from (there were a few in excess of 200mb last month, none of them done by any of us and twice on days that we were not at home), and they cannot tell you. They apparently don't keep track of that information. To me that information is very important.
Maybe I should add here that we run a wireless network at home between 4 computers, all with firewalls, anti-virus, etc. Other than the basic software updates, nothing else is really downloaded onto these computers. My daughter has discovered Facebook, and as far as I can tell, it works similar to Yahoo Messenger, therefore no serious extra demand on the bandwidth - at least not to the tune of 3GB in 2 and a half weeks. Or so I hope.
Anyway, the extra 2GB that I have on standby is really slow. Somewhere in the username it has "2GBsh" and it seems to me that it is shared bandwidth. It is incredibly slow on local and very seldom successful on international. Basically just helps to do mail. They also don't have a solution for me in terms of an upgraded account for this household. I can go for 4GB unshaped or two portions of 3GB shaped, but they don't have a bigger account available (say, 6GB).
As for Capt Niemand, I'm searching... thanks for the feedback, every little bit helps.
Unusually high usage typically originating from a different physical location to where you are. This can be picked picked up by looking at the NAS Port ID.
If the port IDs in your connection logs are different and you're only connecting from a single premises then alarm bells should start ringing.
However you're more likely to find out the hard way ... when your bandwidth keeps running out.
Do the following three things :
1. Disable remote access on your ADSL router.
2. Change your router's admin password.
3. Change your ISP account password.
DSL Charges
Hello
Just thought id add my 2c. I have moved out of home, and recently my parents have had their computers seized and been charged with fraud due to adsl account theft. They have paid an admission of guilt fine of about R1500 and have not received formal criminal charges. However you are placed on the "admission of guilt" criminal records. Any further cases would likely result in a proper criminal record.
There are several frightening things about this. Firstly the case was for account usage for November 2006, so people out there should be worried! Secondly that the police are actually spending resources investigating stuff like this. Really!?!?! If Telkom just sent out a notice to all its users detailing how to change their default passwords, account theft would decrease by at least 90% and the police could investigate real crime.
It all seems very sketchy to me! Does anyone know what evidence would they collect from your pc to use against you? Im not sure how they could prove you actually accessed the victims router without permission to get their details. I dont see that proving you logged onto that users adsl account is enough to prosecute you for data theft? Has there been any successful convictions in court?
Id urge everyone out there not to press charges. Its unethical to steal somebody's bandwidth, but telkom are the ones who sold you "a house with a universal key". Change your routers password, educate yourself a bit about the internet and get over it. Do you leave the liquor cabinet unlocked with your teenage children when you go away for the weekend? Do you really want to destroy some little geeks life because they stole R50 of you cap?
Hello
Just thought id add my 2c. I have moved out of home, and recently my parents have had their computers seized and been charged with fraud due to adsl account theft. They have paid an admission of guilt fine of about R1500 and have not received formal criminal charges. However you are placed on the "admission of guilt" criminal records. Any further cases would likely result in a proper criminal record.
There are several frightening things about this. Firstly the case was for account usage for November 2006, so people out there should be worried! Secondly that the police are actually spending resources investigating stuff like this. Really!?!?! If Telkom just sent out a notice to all its users detailing how to change their default passwords, account theft would decrease by at least 90% and the police could investigate real crime.
It all seems very sketchy to me! Does anyone know what evidence would they collect from your pc to use against you? Im not sure how they could prove you actually accessed the victims router without permission to get their details. I dont see that proving you logged onto that users adsl account is enough to prosecute you for data theft? Has there been any successful convictions in court?
Id urge everyone out there not to press charges. Its unethical to steal somebody's bandwidth, but telkom are the ones who sold you "a house with a universal key". Change your routers password, educate yourself a bit about the internet and get over it. Do you leave the liquor cabinet unlocked with your teenage children when you go away for the weekend? Do you really want to destroy some little geeks life because they stole R50 of you cap?
Debbie
Banned
Ag rastabob, IMO stealing is stealing is stealing...
If you cant do the time - DONT do the crime.. easy..... If someone leaves their front gate open, does that entitle you to pick the flowers at the front door?
Making an excuse to justify the crime is really lame. Some of these criminals have stolen THOUSANDS of gigabytes of bandwidth that someone else paid for...
THEFT! If are not entitled to the benifit, then its plain theft