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Ok just my 2c

1. I have a hunter lvl 34 (Horde)
2. Have a lvl 30 odd Mage- Fire spec (Ally)

Now let me explain what my take is on this whole issue.

Hunters OWN every class in game. That is why I rolled one for PvP.
Mages are huge on DPS especially Fire

Now picture this. You run an Instance the pull goes wrong and you have a Warrior tank, healer starts to spam heal as Warrior is taking hits from 5 different mobs. Healer pulls aggro becuase of spam heal.

Now let put this to the test.

Hunter:
Hunter can get the pet to tank one mob, freeze trap another and Tank one on his own while healing he's pet. That is 3 mobs being kept busy while the healer Pot's up and keeps the group alive. a Pull like that can cause a whipe and will if the healer dies and have no pots. This fight can go for anything up to 5 minutes.
A good Priest or Pala with the correct pot's and buffs can last that long and keep most alive ;)

Mage:
Same scenario. Problem is this, mage can trap all mobs for few seconds. after that it's on CD. now what do you do to protect the healer ?
you can't tank one cos you will die in a few seconds, your elemetal will prob be able to keep one busy for a few seconds also and a sheep if you have mana to waiste. Now remember this fight lasts all of 5 minutes and the Priest/Pala needs to be protected.

In the above 2 as a healer, which do you think is the better CC ?


One thing that pissed me off yesterday in SL. Was trying to get my first Key Fragment for Kara. We had a mage in there that doesn't know WTF threat is. I will never group with a Mage again if I was given the choice.

We wiped on all runs beacause of him, and I didn't get my key after running the instance about 12 times !!!!!

/end rant :o
 
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Pitbull said:
Ok just my 2c

1. I have a hunter lvl 34 (Horde)
2. Have a lvl 30 odd Mage- Fire spec (Ally)

Now let me explain what my take is on this whole issue.

Hunters OWN every class in game. That is why I rolled one for PvP.
Mages are huge on DPS especially Fire

Now picture this. You run an Instance the pull goes wrong and you have a Warrior tank, healer starts to spam heal as Warrior is taking hits from 5 different mobs. Healer pulls aggro becuase of spam heal.

Now let put this to the test.

Hunter:
Hunter can get the pet to tank one mob, freeze trap another and Tank one on his own while healing he's pet. That is 3 mobs being kept busy while the healer Pot's up and keeps the group alive. a Pull like that can cause a whipe and will if the healer dies and have no pots. This fight can go for anything up to 5 minutes.
A good Priest or Pala with the correct pot's and buffs can last that long and keep most alive ;)

Mage:
Same scenario. Problem is this, mage can trap all mobs for few seconds. after that it's on CD. now what do you do to protect the healer ?
you can't tank one cos you will die in a few seconds, your elemetal will prob be able to keep one busy for a few seconds also. Now remember this fight lasts all of 5 minutes and the Priest/Pala needs to be protected.

In the above 2 as a healer, which do you think is the better CC ?


One thing that pissed me yesterday was in SL. Was trying to get my first Key Fragment for Kara. We had a mage in there that doesn't know WTF threat is. I will never group with a Mage again if I was given the choice.

We wiped and less times because of him, and didn't get my key after running the instance about 12 times !!!!!

/end rant :o
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Well if you spec frost then youll see
 
hehe .. and if the warrior is a not doing his job properly its the mages fault?
U did say every pull?
that should not happen
and anyway hunters should not be on the top of the dps listing, the others in the grp are not doing their jobs.
 
zakna said:
hehe .. and if the warrior is a not doing his job properly its the mages fault?
U did say every pull?
that should not happen
and anyway hunters should not be on the top of the dps listing, the others in the grp are not doing their jobs.
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no no no, not every pull.

The problem with a warrior is this, I have one so I know.

The only AoE they have is either retaliate or Thunder clap. So when doing an instance the tank needs to hit all mobs on a pull then keep aggro on one main target all the time. While he's Tanking the Main target the rest can DPS to all their hearts content on that 1 mob. Some fools, hunters and mages both are guilty of this. They use Multi shot or Arcane explosion.

With a warrior tank, there is no way he can keep aggro on all if the DPS is messing around. Don't get me wrong I hate fighting Hunters prob. more than anyone here. The reason is, They OWN ! Period.

Mages can be on top of the DPS meter any day of the weak, with a good tank. Same with any other class. I have been in groups where I have DPS'd my heart out, just to be out done by Shammies, Hunters, Mages and even Priests. It's all about the player and the gear.

The topic here was CC not DPS ;)

I prefer a good hunter for CC rather than a Forst Mage. Reason is just that slowing a target doesn't help shyt on a Boss, or when the shyt hits the fan.

Ok lets say this.

Boss only fight Tank vs Boss with DPS going. Healer for some reason misses a heal and the tank whipes. Your Lock has an Imp summoned, you have a Hunter, Mage and a Healer of any class. What do you do now ?
 
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Petruz said:
Well have you seen frost nova is a aoe that does dmg too not just trap one trashy mob.You get places were aoe is a must with 30 trash mobs around you frost nova saved countless wipes.

Were a hunters trap is only usefull if you have 3 or 3 stronger elites.
And a good frost mage brings 10 times more to party than skilled hunter.
talking buffs water food dps.

And he can handle agro that why he got ice block after geting too much agro.O and dont forget sheep its even better than hunter trap.Only prob with sheep is it doesnt work on all and heals the mob.

Frosties are the kings of cc.

But dont warry too much the huntard forums is full of whiners you would probably get nother buff in next patch like in all patches.
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hahahaha mate you clearly have no idea about the mechanics of hunter class.

Wtb free food plz
 
Pitbull said:
Boss only fight Tank vs Boss with DPS going. Healer for some reason misses a heal and the tank whipes. Your Lock has an Imp summoned, you have a Hunter, Mage and a Healer of any class. What do you do now ?
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I pop a deterence and Aspect of the monkey, i get like 75% dodge for 10sec and save the day.

mage runs for the exit :)
 
oh and btw i can CC 4 mobs at once, two frozen, one asleep, one pet offtank. the sleep only lasts 12sec but the traps i can redo with a little scatter/kite rotation going.
 
My my my... how wrong some of the comments are in here...

Do some of you guys really even have hunters ??? Like level 70's at least ?
Being a n00b leveling your hunter sitting between in the sub 60 levels, how can you possibly make assumptions which you have no idea about ?
The best builds require ALL the talent points spent in the right places.

First of all, zakna damn you really should get with the times. BM hunters ARE the strongest single target DPS class in the game currently. The way we rip rogues, mages, warlocks apart on boss fights is not even funny. Fair enough there are bosses which require massive AOE, and there mages + locks dominate, but there is not a lot of them. Did BT last night again, was no 1 on the damage meters on Gurtogg Bloodboil. The days mages / rogues dominated DPS meters was pre TBC.

Mages are glass canons, they can deal very good dps, but they die oh so easy once a tank looses aggro or of a mob runs around in a raid.
Honestly, either you are playing with MM hunters or your hunters all sit with sporebats for pets...

As for the n00bs stating hunters are easy to play, omg, you really have so much to learn. Its damn damn damn hard mastering the hunter at end game raiding. The level of pet micro management, shot rotations, threat control, threat transfer, kiting of mobs + stunning of mobs breaking into raid, tranq shot chaining, tricky pulls, etc is more than what most waterboy mages would be able to handle.
Dont compare farming with raiding. Any idiot hunter can farm with his pet and sit there with his autoshots on while his pet does all the work.

Honestly, the reason you see so many huntards, is because they are so damn hard to master. I am not even going to respond about BG's as I think Pitbull summed it up... we DOMINATE them.
 
Pitbull said:
Ok just my 2c



One thing that pissed me off yesterday in SL. Was trying to get my first Key Fragment for Kara. We had a mage in there that doesn't know WTF threat is. I will never group with a Mage again if I was given the choice.

We wiped on all runs beacause of him, and I didn't get my key after running the instance about 12 times !!!!!

/end rant :o
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^^ What you lacked was a proper healer ... that no good, oversized feral elephant just could'nt keep up with the heals!! :o

So, I've respecc'd resto just for joo! (Actually with the lack of healers nowdays, it has been a long time coming) ;)

please note that all lols were removed from this post due to its offensive nature ......................................................... lol
 
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Pornolio said:
My my my... how wrong some of the comments are in here...

Do some of you guys really even have hunters ??? Like level 70's at least ?
Being a n00b leveling your hunter sitting between in the sub 60 levels, how can you possibly make assumptions which you have no idea about ?
The best builds require ALL the talent points spent in the right places.

First of all, zakna damn you really should get with the times. BM hunters ARE the strongest single target DPS class in the game currently. The way we rip rogues, mages, warlocks apart on boss fights is not even funny. Fair enough there are bosses which require massive AOE, and there mages + locks dominate, but there is not a lot of them. Did BT last night again, was no 1 on the damage meters on Gurtogg Bloodboil. The days mages / rogues dominated DPS meters was pre TBC.

Mages are glass canons, they can deal very good dps, but they die oh so easy once a tank looses aggro or of a mob runs around in a raid.
Honestly, either you are playing with MM hunters or your hunters all sit with sporebats for pets...

As for the n00bs stating hunters are easy to play, omg, you really have so much to learn. Its damn damn damn hard mastering the hunter at end game raiding. The level of pet micro management, shot rotations, threat control, threat transfer, kiting of mobs + stunning of mobs breaking into raid, tranq shot chaining, tricky pulls, etc is more than what most waterboy mages would be able to handle.
Dont compare farming with raiding. Any idiot hunter can farm with his pet and sit there with his autoshots on while his pet does all the work.

Honestly, the reason you see so many huntards, is because they are so damn hard to master. I am not even going to respond about BG's as I think Pitbull summed it up... we DOMINATE them.
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Yeah you guys are imba hunters wonder what does you arena rating say.
You may dominate bg but in arena lol
1v1 i can take any hunter with my boomkin .
 
Jase said:
^^ What you lacked was a proper healer ... that no good, oversized feral elephant just could'nt keep up with the heals!! :o

So, I've respecc'd resto just for joo! (Actually with the lack of healers nowdays, it has been a long time coming) ;)

please note that all lols were removed from this post due to its offensive nature ......................................................... lol
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With our group we actually did much better :o

Hope fully tonight we can do a quick run, me you and Eina make an Arena team and go play little arena's after ;)

Some nice 3vs3
 
Maybe you should go and roll a frost mage see whats another clas like.Its not just send in pet pewpewpew dead.
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/hug Petruz...

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightbringer&n=Aeloria

:o is that a 70 mage, nowai!... want an SS of my char list if u dont believe me?

k im not frost anymore, cos deep arcane = tons more dps in raids

and anyway hunters should not be on the top of the dps listing, the others in the grp are not doing their jobs.
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/hug again, gimme a few hrs 2 finish work, then ill post a screenshot of hunter dps in 25mans compared to mages

as Pitbull said, its a topic on CC... Which other class can CC more than 1 target for more than 5sec? Double Frost Trap any1? Hell, a survival hunter can CC 5 targets, 1 frost trap laid, wait 4 the frost trap cd 2 end,lay the 2nd trap, CC 2 mobs, wyvern sting, Readiness Talent, yay lay another frost trap down, and pet can offtank 1... would love to see a mage do that

@Pornolio, just add 1 more to the list :p We've got the hardest rotation in the game to do dps
 
Jase said:
^^ What you lacked was a proper healer ... that no good, oversized feral elephant just could'nt keep up with the heals!! :o

So, I've respecc'd resto just for joo! (Actually with the lack of healers nowdays, it has been a long time coming) ;)

please note that all lols were removed from this post due to its offensive nature ......................................................... lol
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This is the time you actually need to say:

Thank you Beesbal for inviting me to groups since lvl 13 as a healer, this trained me for healing at lvl 70. Even though i complained endlessly but healed without fail :D

/joke
 
Damn so how do we get from weak dps, and playing a easy class all the way to arena rankings ??

You running out of straws ?

Boomkin 1 on 1 ... LMAO !!!

You gonna starfire me to death or something ? **sigh**

Go level up a hunter and make some proper smart replies.
 
Pornolio said:
Damn so how do we get from weak dps, and playing a easy class all the way to arena rankings ??

You running out of straws ?

Boomkin 1 on 1 ... LMAO !!!

You gonna starfire me to death or something ? **sigh**

Go level up a hunter and make some proper smart replies.
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Ok wait, now that is another topic, Moonkin form in BG's :eek:
I hate those bastards almost as much as hunters :D
 
Naahh not really, I have a 70 druid as well. Allthough the starfire does tons of damage if your spell damage is high, it has very long casting times and hunters abuse it with their FD. Moonfire on the other hand does way less damage, but its instant cast, and it uses a ton of mana. Boomkins are like elemental shamans. All the armour in the world wont help... only resilience.
Their spell damage is not being mitigated by armour stats. So if you have nice resilience, the boomkins are no threat really.

The healing abilities of druids I will not mock. Their HoT's are INSANE !
In arena they are my worst enemies. They heal their partners and no matter how much I mana drain them, they run away in travel form, hence kiting me through the LoS areas in arena and once they gain enough distance they just drink up their mana.

Hunters love p0wn1ng boomkins since they are not melee class. They keep their distance, and thats what a hunter want. Put pet on Boomkin with beastial intimidation + BW, and nuke away. Dealing with melee classes is harder since it requires kiting.
 
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Pornolio said:
My my my... how wrong some of the comments are in here...

Do some of you guys really even have hunters ??? Like level 70's at least ?
Being a n00b leveling your hunter sitting between in the sub 60 levels, how can you possibly make assumptions which you have no idea about ?
The best builds require ALL the talent points spent in the right places.

First of all, zakna damn you really should get with the times. BM hunters ARE the strongest single target DPS class in the game currently. The way we rip rogues, mages, warlocks apart on boss fights is not even funny. Fair enough there are bosses which require massive AOE, and there mages + locks dominate, but there is not a lot of them. Did BT last night again, was no 1 on the damage meters on Gurtogg Bloodboil. The days mages / rogues dominated DPS meters was pre TBC.

Mages are glass canons, they can deal very good dps, but they die oh so easy once a tank looses aggro or of a mob runs around in a raid.
Honestly, either you are playing with MM hunters or your hunters all sit with sporebats for pets...

As for the n00bs stating hunters are easy to play, omg, you really have so much to learn. Its damn damn damn hard mastering the hunter at end game raiding. The level of pet micro management, shot rotations, threat control, threat transfer, kiting of mobs + stunning of mobs breaking into raid, tranq shot chaining, tricky pulls, etc is more than what most waterboy mages would be able to handle.
Dont compare farming with raiding. Any idiot hunter can farm with his pet and sit there with his autoshots on while his pet does all the work.

Honestly, the reason you see so many huntards, is because they are so damn hard to master. I am not even going to respond about BG's as I think Pitbull summed it up... we DOMINATE them.
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Well they are so hard to play even chines farming bots use em.
 
Pitbull said:
This is the time you actually need to say:

Thank you Beesbal for inviting me to groups since lvl 13 as a healer, this trained me for healing at lvl 70. Even though i complained endlessly but healed without fail :D

/joke
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Good healers are damn harde to find every priest is shadow and almost every druid on TH is feral i specced ballance with a few points in resto
Ballance druid = ok healer not the best.I just tink its because lvling with healing specs are hard if you solo.

And if hunter tops dps on single target boss mage and rogue in party are noobs.
 
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