'Bible allows incest'

[syntax]

I will accept that humbly if you can show me a Good person, any sex, who did a Bad thing without religion as justification.

the church street bombing and Nelson Mandela.
He signed off on this act of terrorism. I am pretty sure he was responsible for some other bad things.
however he was fighitng for freedom and democracy, he had no religious justification at all?

 

[Balstrome]

using a logical, scientific argument how this person of authority and father of this girl became her rapist and how the Bible made him do it.

My logic may be not up to Jesuit or Phrony standards, but I will give it a shot. The rapist found that he had a need to have sex with his daughters, and I suggest that he knew that this was an act that everyone considered to be vile and evil. But he really needed to do this, and here we step into supposition, he could have use the bible to try and take his mind of these thoughts, which could have been with him for a long time. Not know how to read the bible, he could have started at the beginning, working his way though, like one would with a normal book. Reading the bible like this looking for help, from it one has to admit is not the correct way to do this. And as he read, from the beginning, what did he find, yes, justification for the very acts that he needed to do.

Yes, he misinterpreted the bible, used it incorrectly, but that makes a logical sense if you look at it from his mental process.

 

[killadoob]

the church street bombing and Nelson Mandela.
He signed off on this act of terrorism. I am pretty sure he was responsible for some other bad things.
however he was fighitng for freedom and democracy, he had no religious justification at all?

I would love to see the stats on all the criminals world wide as to whether they believe in GOD or not. Would make for an interesting read i think. How many church goers and believers murder and rape? A very low % i think compared to the amount of non believers who murder and rape.

So if anything the really bad people in this world are the non believers. I stand to be corrected of course.

 

[Balstrome]

the church street bombing and Nelson Mandela.
He signed off on this act of terrorism. I am pretty sure he was responsible for some other bad things.
however he was fighitng for freedom and democracy, he had no religious justification at all?

I doubt you will allow me to weasel belief system for religion will you ?

 

[w1z4rd]

Who first thought up using temporary insanity as a defense? Was it that person's fault that so many use it today?

You know how gays are always going on about acceptance and tolerance towards them? I wonder if you should not be showing the same thing towards the bible perhaps? I can almost guarantee you would flip a lid if someone said to you being gay is not right, what if someone kept going on about day after day in every thread? I doubt you would be very impressed. Hatred is nasty nasty thing and you should try to be more tolerant and understanding. What you think is right and wrong does not mean that is the case.

Gays started spreading the AIDS virus right?

I didnt know that hundreds of millions of people were killed for not being gay, I didnt know gay people were trying to push gay ideology into our class rooms, I didnt know that gay people were conning lots of people out of their money in the name of Gaydom. I didnt know gay people were trying to convert us to be gay. I didnt know gay people wanted to commit genocide against non-gay people. I must reaaaaaally be out of the loop.

You cant choose not to be gay.. its biologically built into you, you can choose to leave your cult

 

[cerebus]

And removing the darkness of religion will leave black and white, no shades. You are bad, game over, you are good, well done. End of story. Sounds like a workable system to me.

Doesn't that prove what I just said?

 

[w1z4rd]

I would love to see the stats on all the criminals world wide as to whether they believe in GOD or not. Would make for an interesting read i think. How many church goers and believers murder and rape? A very low % i think compared to the amount of non believers who murder and rape.

So if anything the really bad people in this world are the non believers. I stand to be corrected of course.

Actually... you are completely wrong. Most people in jail are religious.

All they have to do is kill someone.. then ask for forgiveness.... all your top psycho serial killers were religious. (IE Mason)

 

[killadoob]

Actually... you are completely wrong. Most people in jail are religious.

Can you back that up with actual figures?

I cannot say you are wrong though because i have no idea. Would just be rather interesting to get some actually figures or studies on the subject, hmmm lemme google .

 

[EtienneK]

Actually... you are completely wrong. Most people in jail are religious.

Ah, but were they religious before going to jail? I would bet not.

 

[Nerfherder]

Actually... you are completely wrong. Most people in jail are religious.

Ye, I was watching that thing on Discovery (?? I think) where the dude investigates gangs. He was in Polesmore prison and found that most of the inmates where heavily religious believing that they were only answerable to god and that he would forgive them for what they were doing.

 

[cerebus]

W1zard loves chucking out these TOTALLY unbiased stats. Fact: majority of people in jail are listed as belonging to a religion. Fact: 90+% of people on earth list themselves as belonging to a religion.

 

[Balstrome]

I would love to see the stats.

The Federal Bureau of Prisons does have statistics on religious
affiliations of inmates. The following are total number of
inmates per religion category:

Response Number %
---------------------------- --------
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
---------------------------- --------
Total Known Responses 74731

link

Not world wide, but a start.

Rather check out the website for a better view, I loose at doing BB tables.

 

[w1z4rd]

Can you back that up with actual figures?

Yup
http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

 

[cerebus]

Interesting article that w1z:

The statistically verifiable reality should come as no surprise to those who have first hand experience with criminal and religious sociology:

1. The majority of Americans (85%) have a stated religious preference.
2. The majority of American prisoners (between 80 and 100%, depending on the study consulted) also have a stated religious preference.

3. A disproportionately high number of prisoners were not in any way practicing religionists prior to incarceration. That is, they exhibited none of the standard sociological measures of religiosity, such as regular prayer, scripture study, and attendance at worship services.

So - religiosity in prison proportionately matches religiosity in wider society - and strong religious practice is negatively correlated with incarceration. All of which proves what exactly?

 

[Joy-Energiser]

This is the story of religion since the dawn of ages, constant Misinterpretation leading to much human suffering and Misery.

Religion has always been for the weak of mind...See my sig...

Oh and Wizard, keep up the good work, your Anti-religion sessions really inspire me

 

[syntax]

I doubt you will allow me to weasel belief system for religion will you ?

no, especially since u dont believe it either. His motives were freedom, simple.

Actually... you are completely wrong. Most people in jail are religious.

All they have to do is kill someone.. then ask for forgiveness.... all your top psycho serial killers were religious. (IE Mason)

maybe they seek religion for a way of redemption because they are backed into a corner?
If everyone else has given up on you, the only place left to turn is religion. stats on those convicts who were religious before going to prison would be interesting..

 

[w1z4rd]

W1zard loves chucking out these TOTALLY unbiased stats. Fact: majority of people in jail are listed as belonging to a religion. Fact: 90+% of people on earth list themselves as belonging to a religion.

LOL.. I guess the religion aint really working. Yeah.. the FBI are well known for their bias towards Christians That was gay, even for you (the bias comment)

A bit of a blinder from you, not your normal rationality. I could say that you like throwing out complete lies all the time... which would be true, but that would start mud slinging.

It would be nice to get the percentage of religious inmates vs the percentage of non-religious inmates. Though the percentage must be the percentage of that group committing the crimes.

 

[w1z4rd]

no, especially since u dont believe it either. His motives were freedom, simple.



maybe they seek religion for a way of redemption because they are backed into a corner?
If everyone else has given up on you, the only place left to turn is religion. stats on those convicts who were religious before going to prison would be interesting..

Almost the same I would imagine. Based on the fact that generally the most violent and fked up countries in the world are the most religious.

 

[cerebus]

Another tidbit from the article:

According to the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics (National Census of the Jail Population 12/31/95), while 72% affirmed affiliation with religious institutions (determined through answers to the question on "Religious Background" on the Penal entrance form) only 54% of Federal and State Prisoners actually consider themselves religious, and 33% can be confirmed to be practicing their religion. This is demonstrated by attendance records at religious services, which averaged anywhere between 30% and 40%, depending upon the time of year and the institution in question (and who was preaching). These figures are comparable to the national average as establish by the Gallup organization. [Source: http://www.errantskeptics.org/Ancient_Statistics.htm.]

Sorry wiz you have to do some serious cherrypicking here to support your assertions. The rest of the article demolishes your point.

 

[w1z4rd]

Interesting article that w1z:



So - religiosity in prison proportionately matches religiosity in wider society - and strong religious practice is negatively correlated with incarceration. All of which proves what exactly?

So what you are saying is that religion has 0 impact on crime (except being a excuse for it)?