'Bible allows incest'

[syntax]

As I said, this guy would have to come up with another reason in his personal mind to make this evil act acceptable to him. Religion made that easy for him, by providing chapter and verse. Lets take a trip into his minds and see if we can come up with an acceptable reason that we can use to justify doing such an act, without use of religion. It has to be have some sort of logic behind it. I can not think of a suitable reason in those conditions, nothing that provides that same amount of excuse the religion provides.

U agree he would have done it no matter what? so why bitch and moan that religion gave him an excuse? does anyone actually believe him? is it going to make things any better for him?? i doubt it... ur finding an excuse to complain about how the bible sucks...

As to the world becoming sicker, maybe, but I will duck that by using this quote. "Good men do good things, Bad men do bad things, but it takes religion for Good men to do bad things"

thats a completely stupid quote seen from a very obtuse view point... good men can do some very very bad things under a variety of circumstances, to single out religion is stupid..

 

[Balstrome]

Some dude blamed gta for killing people will try find the story. I can remember his defense team used it during the trial.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/3934277.stm

Here is one.

Going to push on this, GTA as a defence. Who first brought up the idea that GTA or any violent computer game was a cause for ills of the world, yes, you are correct, the religious. So if the religious deem it a contributing factor, then there is reason enough for a person to use it as his defence, even if it is in fact a very poor defence.

 

[Balstrome]

thats a completely stupid quote seen from a very obtuse view point... good men can do some very very bad things under a variety of circumstances, to single out religion is stupid..

I will accept that humbly if you can show me a Good person, any sex, who did a Bad thing without religion as justification.

 

[w1z4rd]

Now according to balstrome video games have indeed corrupted those people i linked which is absolute BS.

What I did see was you comparing an way-of-life ideology (that gives you rules and regulations on how to live with punishments like eternal hell if you dont obey) to a computer game.... um... that doesnt gel.

 

[killadoob]

Who first thought up using temporary insanity as a defense? Was it that person's fault that so many use it today?

You know how gays are always going on about acceptance and tolerance towards them? I wonder if you should not be showing the same thing towards the bible perhaps? I can almost guarantee you would flip a lid if someone said to you being gay is not right, what if someone kept going on about day after day in every thread? I doubt you would be very impressed. Hatred is nasty nasty thing and you should try to be more tolerant and understanding. What you think is right and wrong does not mean that is the case.

Gays started spreading the AIDS virus right?

 

[cerebus]

I will accept that humbly if you can show me a Good person, any sex, who did a Bad thing without religion as justification.

*scratches head*

I'm a bit stuck as to how one should prove such an example. A good person doing a bad thing becomes a bad person, non?

 

[Mars]

I will accept that humbly if you can show me a Good person, any sex, who did a Bad thing without religion as justification.

It happens all the time. Its just not newsworthy.. Someone saying "I screwed up" just does not get attention from people like you as much as "The devil made me do it" if at all.
Face it. you have a chip on your shoulder. You and RZA: Same person, different side of the fence.

 

[EtienneK]

I will accept that humbly if you can show me a Good person, any sex, who did a Bad thing without religion as justification.

Roosevelt - Hiroshima?

 

[killadoob]

*scratches head*

I'm a bit stuck as to how one should prove such an example. A good person doing a bad thing becomes a bad person, non?

I also don't quite understand a good person doing bad things . I am good person now spread your legs bitch!!!!!! I wonder can a bad person be good?

 

[syntax]

*scratches head*

I'm a bit stuck as to how one should prove such an example. A good person doing a bad thing becomes a bad person, non?

its what i am thinknig, any example i find would be put to this logic...or argued that the person was not good to start with..

 

[EtienneK]

its what i am thinknig, any example i find would be put to this logic...or argued that the person was not good to start with..

Agreed. I guess it depends on your definition of good and bad and from what perspective you are looking at.

 

[Balstrome]

*scratches head*

I'm a bit stuck as to how one should prove such an example. A good person doing a bad thing becomes a bad person, non?

The trick is the justification, but you are correct there seems to be a hole there, if you ignore the religion part.

 

[PeterCH]

Roosevelt - Hiroshima?

Clinton - Kosovo/Serbia. Many innocent children died from those NATO bombs.

 

[cerebus]

The trick is the justification, but you are correct there seems to be a hole there, if you ignore the religion part.

And deal in chiaroscuro shades of morality.

 

[Balstrome]

So Clinton and Roosevelt were good or bad ? My quote using religion to justify the bad act. The Good claim to continue to be Good after their Bad act, by the use of religion to justify it. That is the point of the quote.

 

[PeterCH]

Forget about my negative stereotype, that has nothing to do with the topic that I was commenting on. Me, being an in your face ass-hole atheist, has nothing to do with my comment that religion, provided this criminal a convincing argument for him to commit this crime.

This guy wanted to have sex with his own child. He would have found an excuse regardless.

Your logic is laughable.

Please show causality. Please show how the Bible turned a normal heterosexual father into an incest, seeking pedophile child molester. You are a logical guy who dislikes superstition and arguments based on imaginary gods in the sky, so please show me, using a logical, scientific argument how this person of authority and father of this girl became her rapist and how the Bible made him do it.

 

[PeterCH]

So Clinton and Roosevelt were good or bad ?

Both are regarded as having perpetrated good actions for non-religious reasons.

The Good claim to continue to be Good after their Bad act, by the use of religion to justify it.

Both Clinton and Roosevelt are seen as good despite that many innocents died as a result of their orders.

 

[Balstrome]

And deal in chiaroscuro shades of morality.

And removing the darkness of religion will leave black and white, no shades. You are bad, game over, you are good, well done. End of story. Sounds like a workable system to me.

 

[EtienneK]

And removing the darkness of religion will leave black and white, no shades. You are bad, game over, you are good, well done. End of story. Sounds like a workable system to me.

There will always be shades of grey. Just take a basic ethics class and you will know that too.

 

[PeterCH]

As I said, this guy would have to come up with another reason in his personal mind to make this evil act acceptable to him. Religion made that easy for him, by providing chapter and verse.

Guy was motivated by his sexual desire. He was the girl's figure of authority, he could have given her any reason as justification.

Lets take a trip into his minds and see if we can come up with an acceptable reason that we can use to justify doing such an act, without use of religion.

Yes. It is cultural norm. Yes, you've seen it on this video from the web. Yes, you've seen this in this book. Yes you've seen it in this story. Yes, our forefathers did it. Yes it is done to conserve body heat. Yes it is a method of bonding between father and child. Yes it is a method a father uses to evaluate his daughter's state of womanhood.

It has to be have some sort of logic behind it. I can not think of a suitable reason in those conditions, nothing that provides that same amount of excuse the religion provides.

Unsubstantiated opinion.

As to the world becoming sicker, maybe, but I will duck that by using this quote. "Good men do good things, Bad men do bad things, but it takes religion for Good men to do bad things"

It is a retarded quote.