Big problems at Eskom

[richjdavies]

You don't have to have the grid.
It costs money to maintain it etc etc...
Just dont size your system based on the wrong pay backs, and there's no problem?

 

[AchmatK]

You don't have to have the grid.
It costs money to maintain it etc etc...
Just dont size your system based on the wrong pay backs, and there's no problem?

At the moment Eskom and municipalities needs the electricity more so they really need to look at making it easier for residential and especially large malls and office blocks to feed in excess solar. The mall and office blocks should also be on a different switch or network so that when there is loadshedding they can still feed in excess.

This is just my house when there is load shedding at peak pv production. One house that could've added 14kwh in the 2 hour load shedding. I would think there's probably a couple hundred MW going wasted every day.

Someone should really do an audit on pv that is idle due not being allowed to feed in or process to get approval is filed with red tape.

 

[richjdavies]

At the moment Eskom and municipalities needs the electricity more so they really need to look at making it easier for residential and especially large malls and office blocks to feed in excess solar.

Municipialities -- yes - but also remember lots of them HAVE already! At least in the Republic of the Western Cape https://www.westerncape.gov.za/ener...cale-embedded-generation-sseg-feed-tariff-map
Might even end up with vaccines before the Rest of the country too!

Eskom = No no... despite the president saying they should, NERSA setting a framework etc etc.

 

[Paul_S]

Western Cape municipal connections are largely allowed to do so (albeit at low feedback tariffs normally less than R0.80 feedback and R2.00 usage, I know!).

Try Tshwane with their 10c/kWh feed in tariff! That's not enough to even cover the costs of the solar panels over a 20 year period so people buy just enough for their needs when installing a solar PV system.
I probably have enough roof space to generate over 1000kWh/day but when I install solar I'll install less than 20 x 450W panels because there's zero incentive to feed back into the grid.

There never will be either because electricity sales are most municipalities cash cow. If you have solar you're a direct competitor and threat to their bottom line. They couldn't care less about their local economies and keeping business operational because most of that wealth generation goes to SARS in some form of tax.

 

[richjdavies]

Try Tshwane with their 10c/kWh feed in tariff! That's not enough to even cover the costs of the solar panels over a 20 year period so people buy just enough for their needs when installing a solar PV system.
I probably have enough roof space to generate over 1000kWh/day but when I install solar I'll install less than 20 x 450W panels because there's zero incentive to feed back into the grid.

There never will be either because electricity sales are most municipalities cash cow. If you have solar you're a direct competitor and threat to their bottom line. They couldn't care less about their local economies and keeping business operational because most of that wealth generation goes to SARS in some form of tax.

Question is... Is it enough for you to feed back your excess rather than dump it... probably not.

There will be in other municipalities it is ALREADY happening. They only pay Eskom around 70-80c for each marginal kwh in weekday day time so.dont expect more than that!

 

[AchmatK]

Question is... Is it enough for you to feed back your excess rather than dump it... probably not.

There will be in other municipalities it is ALREADY happening. They only pay Eskom around 70-80c for each marginal kwh in weekday day time so.dont expect more than that!

For me personally they should at least let me offset my usage from my feed in first. They can keep the surplus as it would just be wasted or more accurately, not be generated.

Basically if I buy 10kwh at night and feed in 20kwh during the day, they can keep the 10kwh. Just don't bill me R2.50/kwh for the 10kwh I purchased and then buy my excess for 80c/kwh for the 20kwh. At the 80c buy back rate I would need to feed in 3 times more than what i buy in order just to have a zero bill. At 20c it becomes even more of a joke and it would be better to invest in batteries to store excess daytime pv and not have to go to the grid at night.

 

[wingnut771]

For me personally they should at least let me offset my usage from my feed in first. They can keep the surplus as it would just be wasted or more accurately, not be generated.

Basically if I buy 10kwh at night and feed in 20kwh during the day, they can keep the 10kwh. Just don't bill me R2.50/kwh for the 10kwh I purchased and then buy my excess for 80c/kwh for the 20kwh. At the 80c buy back rate I would need to feed in 3 times more than what i buy in order just to have a zero bill. At 20c it becomes even more of a joke and it would be better to invest in batteries to store excess daytime pv and not have to go to the grid at night.

Have they moaned yet with your zero bill?

 

[Tickled_Tortise]

So Zuma's tenure accounts for 120 days of load shedding yet his minions at the state capture commission would have us believe it was they who "defeated" load shedding? Also they plan for about 20 units on unplanned maintenance for 3 months (assuming 600MW per unit average as most of their stations are at that capacity)? That's crazy.

Fear not, the truth will come out eventually...

State capture: The hunters have become the hunted

Brian Molefe’s statement at the Zondo Commission effectively upended and recalibrated the whole discourse on state capture by locating President Cyril Ramaphosa at the centre, writes Professor Sipho Seepe.

www.iol.co.za

 

[Gordon_R]

Fear not, the truth will come out eventually...

State capture: The hunters have become the hunted

Brian Molefe’s statement at the Zondo Commission effectively upended and recalibrated the whole discourse on state capture by locating President Cyril Ramaphosa at the centre, writes Professor Sipho Seepe.

www.iol.co.za

LOL, this guy has been drinking the alternative reality Kool Aid!?

P.S. Who says being a professor adds credibility...

 

[TheChamp]

Fear not, the truth will come out eventually...

State capture: The hunters have become the hunted

Brian Molefe’s statement at the Zondo Commission effectively upended and recalibrated the whole discourse on state capture by locating President Cyril Ramaphosa at the centre, writes Professor Sipho Seepe.

www.iol.co.za

Sipho Seepe, looks like even after all this he has never stopped loving Zuma.

 

[Oldfut]

For me personally they should at least let me offset my usage from my feed in first. They can keep the surplus as it would just be wasted or more accurately, not be generated.

Basically if I buy 10kwh at night and feed in 20kwh during the day, they can keep the 10kwh. Just don't bill me R2.50/kwh for the 10kwh I purchased and then buy my excess for 80c/kwh for the 20kwh. At the 80c buy back rate I would need to feed in 3 times more than what i buy in order just to have a zero bill. At 20c it becomes even more of a joke and it would be better to invest in batteries to store excess daytime pv and not have to go to the grid at night.

I agree and, as noted electricity, is a very "profitable" commodity to many municipalities; some more than others who have high rates for example (and those who don't pay Eskom anything). The municipalities claim that some of the mark up is a wheeling charge as they provide the grid that enable you to get your excess electricity to someone that needs it. That this should be more than the cost of producing the electricity is somewhat ludicrous.

This should have been sorted out by NERSA and the REDS where wheeling charges would have been established but, of course, along with the whole idea of open IPP's, this never happened and left a lot of frustrated and disillusioned people. We got the powered by Gupta Eskom we have today. Gezundheit.

 

[now05ster]

LOL, this guy has been drinking the alternative reality Kool Aid!?

P.S. Who says being a professor adds credibility...

Also, it's IOL. Not an unbiased news source.

 

[Paul_S]

Fear not, the truth will come out eventually...

But by then it will be far too late to do anything about it. The money and the thieves will have skipped the country like the Guptas and left behind an empty purse and broken economy.

 

[AchmatK]

Have they moaned yet with your zero bill?

Not yet but I'm preparing for that to take place this year. When i stopped using their water due to having potable water less than 4m deep, they replaced my water meter 3 times as they were convinced it was faulty due to zero water usage. I went from an average of 8kl water to zero overnight. On their fourth visit to replace it I was home and showed them that their water supply was turned off. Have not had them back again in the two years for the water meter. They still come every month to read the water meter.

 

[richjdavies]

Not yet but I'm preparing for that to take place this year. When i stopped using their water due to having potable water less than 4m deep, they replaced my water meter 3 times as they were convinced it was faulty due to zero water usage. I went from an average of 8kl water to zero overnight. On their fourth visit to replace it I was home and showed them that their water supply was turned off. Have not had them back again in the two years for the water meter. They still come every month to read the water meter.

But you're still using the sewerage system - something for nothing!?

Same goes for the electricity grid above.
You're taking grid during peak times - say evening and morning in winter which cost the municipality over R3/kwh! They are charged Time Of Use by Eskom so they really would be losing out a lot.

You want to eat Ouma rusks and pay them back Cheapo checkers no brand... Why would they waste tax payers money like that?

If you look at the map I posted of Municipalities in the WC that pay for feedback - in general it's at the kind of cost they pay Eskom for middle of the day - i.e. "standard" for 5 days of the week and "off peak" for weekends - averaging out around R0.70-0.80/kwh.

There used to be all kinds of clever initiatives at Eskom for "virtual power plants" (i.e. reduce your load and be paid for it) that would be a good framework for joining up all the small excesses as a group, but they have withered and withered under state capture...

 

[AchmatK]

But you're still using the sewerage system - something for nothing!?

Same goes for the electricity grid above.
You're taking grid during peak times - say evening and morning in winter which cost the municipality over R3/kwh! They are charged Time Of Use by Eskom so they really would be losing out a lot.

You want to eat Ouma rusks and pay them back Cheapo checkers no brand... Why would they waste tax payers money like that?

If you look at the map I posted of Municipalities in the WC that pay for feedback - in general it's at the kind of cost they pay Eskom for middle of the day - i.e. "standard" for 5 days of the week and "off peak" for weekends - averaging out around R0.70-0.80/kwh.

There used to be all kinds of clever initiatives at Eskom for "virtual power plants" (i.e. reduce your load and be paid for it) that would be a good framework for joining up all the small excesses as a group, but they have withered and withered under state capture...

Their sewerage costing and billing problem is not mine to resolve. They are quite happy to charge for sewerage when users have to fill a pool or water their garden, or even drinking water from the tap as the sewerage charge added is to it.

I'm actually not taking from grid in peak evening as my batteries gets used from the time the sun sets until about 3am.

 

[Paul_S]

But you're still using the sewerage system - something for nothing!?

Same goes for the electricity grid above.
You're taking grid during peak times - say evening and morning in winter which cost the municipality over R3/kwh! They are charged Time Of Use by Eskom so they really would be losing out a lot.

You want to eat Ouma rusks and pay them back Cheapo checkers no brand... Why would they waste tax payers money like that?

It's more than fair.
Firstly it's a known fact that municipalities are over charging customers for electricity and making massive amounts of revenue in the process. One can pull up a dozen such articles with facts and figures with a simple Google search. Over charging for electricity impacts businesses trying to keep the lights on and is an economic destroyer.

Secondly what are the rates and taxes used for? I pay close to R3000 per month for rates yet my streetlights don't work (even though I report it), the road is falling apart, there are continual burst water pipes throughout the suburb and this is in one of the "better run municipalities". Where is the value for money? We are paying for cushy desk jobs for a bunch of politically connected thieves.
If I drill a borehole and use no municipal water there is still a basic sanitation service charge that is levied. Even if there wasn't a basic charge I'd still call it fair and a way to start clawing back some value for the money I pay.

We're paying Ouma rusk prices and not even getting cheapo checkers rusks in return. People are sick and tired of subsidising corruption, greed, incompetence and laziness.

 

[wingnut771]

But you're still using the sewerage system - something for nothing!?

Same goes for the electricity grid above.
You're taking grid during peak times - say evening and morning in winter which cost the municipality over R3/kwh! They are charged Time Of Use by Eskom so they really would be losing out a lot.

You want to eat Ouma rusks and pay them back Cheapo checkers no brand... Why would they waste tax payers money like that?

If you look at the map I posted of Municipalities in the WC that pay for feedback - in general it's at the kind of cost they pay Eskom for middle of the day - i.e. "standard" for 5 days of the week and "off peak" for weekends - averaging out around R0.70-0.80/kwh.

There used to be all kinds of clever initiatives at Eskom for "virtual power plants" (i.e. reduce your load and be paid for it) that would be a good framework for joining up all the small excesses as a group, but they have withered and withered under state capture...

They pay 80c and charge R2.50, daylight robbery.

 

[wingnut771]

Not yet but I'm preparing for that to take place this year. When i stopped using their water due to having potable water less than 4m deep, they replaced my water meter 3 times as they were convinced it was faulty due to zero water usage. I went from an average of 8kl water to zero overnight. On their fourth visit to replace it I was home and showed them that their water supply was turned off. Have not had them back again in the two years for the water meter. They still come every month to read the water meter.

Keep us updated.

 

[richjdavies]

It's more than fair.
Firstly it's a known fact that municipalities are over charging customers for electricity and making massive amounts of revenue in the process. One can pull up a dozen such articles with facts and figures with a simple Google search. Over charging for electricity impacts businesses trying to keep the lights on and is an economic destroyer.

Secondly what are the rates and taxes used for? I pay close to R3000 per month for rates yet my streetlights don't work (even though I report it), the road is falling apart, there are continual burst water pipes throughout the suburb and this is in one of the "better run municipalities". Where is the value for money? We are paying for cushy desk jobs for a bunch of politically connected thieves.
If I drill a borehole and use no municipal water there is still a basic sanitation service charge that is levied. Even if there wasn't a basic charge I'd still call it fair and a way to start clawing back some value for the money I pay.

We're paying Ouma rusk prices and not even getting cheapo checkers rusks in return. People are sick and tired of subsidising corruption, greed, incompetence and laziness.

Haha. Known fact. Something is expensive so I should be able to sell for the same price as anyone else... This doesnt make sense beyond primary school!

Peak time flights, its okay Ill swap you a flight where theres loads of empty seats.

Unless you've found a way to produce more energy in Winter than Summer, then you're "all kwh are created equal plan" just doesn't work.

If you don't like the way your municipality is run, work to get them voted out, or move.
If you dont like the deal they offered then you shouldn't have built too much solar! Silliness all round today.h