BIS Data Charges

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For a while now I used to believe that BIS was ONLY free for BBM, Web Browsing, WhatsApp and GPS data

Then I was told that everything including downloads are FREE EXCEPT for Streaming Video

I tested this by downloading from beemp3.com and all was fine

Last month I got whacked with a R300 data charge and when I queried with Vodacom, I was told that ONLY browsing is free

so it seems that beemp3 and sites like vuclip and fztvseries are NOT free?

Anyone know exactly what is free and what's not?
 
Whatsapp, Bee"illegal"mp3, Fzt"illegal"series, other content downloads and streaming media is NOT free.

Phone browsing in the BB browser, BBM, Email, Satnav, Appworld and some apps are free*
 
I was on the Vodacom Online Support Chat yesterday complaining about a similar issue.
Vodacom has been "stealing" airtime off my phone in drips and drabs for over a year already for no apparent reason, and they cannot give me a proper explanation for the charges either.

So yesterday the call centre agent tells me this:

Thanks for holding,please take note of the following Internet browsing, using the BlackBerry Internet browser, is unlimited when browsing (not downloading) on-device.
You will be billed at R2.00 per megabyte when using one of the following if no data bundle is active on your sim card profile:
1. Streaming (Youtube, radio or video streaming)
2. Using the handset as a modem
3. 3rd party applications (Mxit, Whats app)
4. Using a different browser other than the Blackberry internet browser
5: Opening e-mails larger than 4 MB

Now I find this to be utterly ridiculous. When I chose to go BB and use BIS, I researched and asked a lot of questions first. NEVER ONCE did anybody say that WhatsApp and other 3rd party apps do not use BIS. Never once did I hear about the 4MB email limit. Never once did anyone say that if I use a different browser (like Opera Mini) I will be charged. I knew about the modem and streaming media being excluded, but nothing else!

I have been using WhatsApp and Nimbuzz (for GoogleTalk) and other apps for ages without incurring noticeable charges for them. If what this guy has told me is true, then BIS is basically useless and pointless. I do very little browsing. I use Twitter and WhatsApp and Nimbuzz and GoogleMaps and Foursquare and a horde of other 3rd party apps that come straight from BB AppWorld.

I am pursuing the matter with Vodacom through other, more effective channels, since their Customer Support is pathetic. I want the nearly R100 that has been stolen from me over the course of the past year returned and I want them to stop doing it in future.
 
I've just generated a mini statement on my prepaid BIS and I was shocked by the sheer volume of data charges I'm seeing. :eek:
 
Whatsapp, Bee"illegal"mp3, Fzt"illegal"series, other content downloads and streaming media is NOT free.

Phone browsing in the BB browser, BBM, Email, Satnav, Appworld and some apps are free*
Since when is WhatsApp not free? It uses the BIS connection by default. Furthermore, how does Vodacom differentiate between content downloads, email and BBM multimedia when the data is encrypted?
 
I was on the Vodacom Online Support Chat yesterday complaining about a similar issue.
Vodacom has been "stealing" airtime off my phone in drips and drabs for over a year already for no apparent reason, and they cannot give me a proper explanation for the charges either.

So yesterday the call centre agent tells me this:



Now I find this to be utterly ridiculous. When I chose to go BB and use BIS, I researched and asked a lot of questions first. NEVER ONCE did anybody say that WhatsApp and other 3rd party apps do not use BIS. Never once did I hear about the 4MB email limit. Never once did anyone say that if I use a different browser (like Opera Mini) I will be charged. I knew about the modem and streaming media being excluded, but nothing else!

I have been using WhatsApp and Nimbuzz (for GoogleTalk) and other apps for ages without incurring noticeable charges for them. If what this guy has told me is true, then BIS is basically useless and pointless. I do very little browsing. I use Twitter and WhatsApp and Nimbuzz and GoogleMaps and Foursquare and a horde of other 3rd party apps that come straight from BB AppWorld.

I am pursuing the matter with Vodacom through other, more effective channels, since their Customer Support is pathetic. I want the nearly R100 that has been stolen from me over the course of the past year returned and I want them to stop doing it in future.

Tell them where they can put their phone.... and get an Android :)
 
Whatsapp, Bee"illegal"mp3, Fzt"illegal"series, other content downloads and streaming media is NOT free.

Phone browsing in the BB browser, BBM, Email, Satnav, Appworld and some apps are free*

Yeah... um... might wanna check your sources on that one. The wife's Whatsapp runs fine, on an account where PSD has been disabled.

*edit*

As an aside, so does Opera Mini.
 
I was on the Vodacom Online Support Chat yesterday complaining about a similar issue.
Vodacom has been "stealing" airtime off my phone in drips and drabs for over a year already for no apparent reason, and they cannot give me a proper explanation for the charges either.

So yesterday the call centre agent tells me this:



Now I find this to be utterly ridiculous. When I chose to go BB and use BIS, I researched and asked a lot of questions first. NEVER ONCE did anybody say that WhatsApp and other 3rd party apps do not use BIS. Never once did I hear about the 4MB email limit. Never once did anyone say that if I use a different browser (like Opera Mini) I will be charged. I knew about the modem and streaming media being excluded, but nothing else!

I have been using WhatsApp and Nimbuzz (for GoogleTalk) and other apps for ages without incurring noticeable charges for them. If what this guy has told me is true, then BIS is basically useless and pointless. I do very little browsing. I use Twitter and WhatsApp and Nimbuzz and GoogleMaps and Foursquare and a horde of other 3rd party apps that come straight from BB AppWorld.

I am pursuing the matter with Vodacom through other, more effective channels, since their Customer Support is pathetic. I want the nearly R100 that has been stolen from me over the course of the past year returned and I want them to stop doing it in future.

If the consultant advised everything is free you might have a case, if you used the net, im afraid its your word against theirs.

Since when is WhatsApp not free? It uses the BIS connection by default. Furthermore, how does Vodacom differentiate between content downloads, email and BBM multimedia when the data is encrypted?

The setting is there, but it was never free, I had whatsapp when it just came out, April 2010, it always billed, especially content transfers.
The APNs are restricted, BB branded apps will have the default apn on the app itself.

Yeah... um... might wanna check your sources on that one. The wife's Whatsapp runs fine, on an account where PSD has been disabled.

*edit*

As an aside, so does Opera Mini.

Like i said above, it does charge.
OM also charges, its always been like this.
There has been an influx of abuse on the BB Apn.
I suspect the networks have addressed it now.
 
Like i said above, it does charge.
OM also charges, its always been like this.
There has been an influx of abuse on the BB Apn.
I suspect the networks have addressed it now.

Erm... if you didn't gather from my initial reply, I apologise for being unclear.

You. Are. Wrong.

My wife's access to the normal data network has been disabled on MTN's side. The phone will simply not connect to anything that isn't delivered via BIS.

No data charges outside of BIS for more than a year, and she uses Opera exclusively as it sucks less than the native BB browser.
 
Whatsapp and Mxit?
I haven't used Mxit in ages but never paid for data on it with my BIS.
Same with Whatsapp, and I use Whatsapp a lot (while I still had a Failberry, that is).
 
Erm... if you didn't gather from my initial reply, I apologise for being unclear.

You. Are. Wrong.

My wife's access to the normal data network has been disabled on MTN's side. The phone will simply not connect to anything that isn't delivered via BIS.

No data charges outside of BIS for more than a year, and she uses Opera exclusively as it sucks less than the native BB browser.

Well, im not sure what phone it is, or what MTN have done.
If she uses Opera Mini for free, well done to her. That will be a secret to share imo.:D
 
Well, im not sure what phone it is, or what MTN have done.
If she uses Opera Mini for free, well done to her. That will be a secret to share imo.:D

BB9700 spluttering along on OS6. You can set Opera Mini up to either use BIS or normal PSD. To negate the chances of any cock-ups with, for example, forgetting to change settings when we upgrade the OS we requested that MTN disable PSD on her number.

Regarding Whatsapp, it explicitly states upon installation that it will not work without BIS.

Do you want screenshots and scans of our MTN bill?!
 
So I just generated another Mini Statement and saw that at 8:22pm last night, Vodacom deducted 31c off my airtime for another internet data connection. Here's what the mini statement says:

GPRS 2012-01-23 20:22:01 - internet 333 162816 R -0.31 R 19.13 0 0

333 seconds is the duration. 162816 is the volume. R -0.31 is the amount deducted. R19.13 is my current airtime balance.

Here's the problem. At 20:20 last night, I was at a BP petrol station in Centurion. I was filling up my bike on my way home from work. I have the payment slip to prove this. I paid, put the slip in my pocket, pulled out my phone and launched Foursquare. I checked into the BP, exited Foursquare, put the phone back in my pocket and drove home.

That says to me that it was Foursquare that incurred the charge, as that was the only thing I was doing on the phone at that time. However, last night at midnight I used Foursquare again, and approximately 15 minutes ago I used Foursquare again, to check into my work. Yet there are no charges for those connections. Not a cent missing from my airtime. I've also since tested WhatsApp extensively (I sent a LOT of messages and pictures to a friend to test if it would bill me or not) and again, not a cent taken, not a single charge.

This implies the data charges are not consistent. If you're going to charge me, charge me consistently. Don't gooi me with 31c for a single, simple, 15-seconds of Foursquare checking in, but not charge me for extensive WhatsApp messages that you claim I need to pay for!

I am getting properly fed up now. :(
 
THIS is what i'm talking about, conflicting information from Vodacom AND previously where I wasnt charged for using Opera for Browsing and Definitely not for WhatsApp, I am now being Charged.

This together with slower than dialup speeds when the 3G icon is displayed.

A few nights ago, Vodacom admitted they are having issues with BIS and are 'looking into it'
 
Vodacom has gone from a great network to rubbish in a matter of months as far as BIS is concerned.

They've charged me for app world downloads as well today... Is app world a third party application? And if WhatsApp is being billed then what about UberSocial and Socialscope?

They need to communicate what is billable and what is not...
 
THIS is what i'm talking about, conflicting information from Vodacom AND previously where I wasnt charged for using Opera for Browsing and Definitely not for WhatsApp, I am now being Charged.

You're absolutely right, and this is where I place weight when I argue that Vodacom (I can't speak for other service providers because my experience with BIS is solely Vodacom) is a **** and piss poor service provider. It seems clear, and apparent, that Vodacom has absolutely no ****ing clue WHAT is meant to be charged and what is not. They are clueless regarding what falls WITHIN BIS and what falls outside it.

I don't know if the COO and top level guys know, but the small drones at the bottom (the people in the "Advanced" data service customer contact centre) don't know their arse from their elbows - there, I said it. They don't know their arse from their elbows. One says two things are charged, you phone back later and a new one says that the first two are not charged but two other ARE charged. It's like there's no training going on about "What is included in BIS". Put it on a Bulleting board; print it and put it on their desks signed by the COO; **** it, make them write a ****ing test about it - just find one, solid source and ****ing stick to it!

BIS is a product - and you must KNOW YOUR PRODUCT!!!! That's a fundamental rule of business and customer service. If I went to a mechanic and asked him what's wrong, and the guy said "It's your radiator" when actually it was a spark plug issue, then he's a ****ing idiot and I mustn't go back to him after that ever again. The problem is, with this industry, that you sign a contract that you get penalised for if you "stop using their services". CPA is meant to mitigate this, but it doesn't because WE don't bring a case to them.

Utlimately, the fault isn't Vodacom's for being ****, the problem is US for TAKING their ****. Supply and demand, if they provide **** and we take it...they're just going to continue to provide ****. I do, however, recognise the problem of that ****ing piece of paper that says you have to stay with them for 24 months before you leave because of their ****. There are clauses saying you can leave if not provided with the services as promised in the terms and conditions and **** but exactly how do you prove that Vodacom is not living up to their part of the deal? Slow internet speeds? Well, they have an argument for that "Too many people are abusing BIS so others have it slow". That's their defence and they'll take a high priced lawyer to court with it if they have to.

On a side note: Whatsapp being charged is a new one to me. I have never heard of anyone being charged for Whatsapp - HapticSimian is right, I've seen Whatsapp even INSISTING that I use BIS. The Wife uses it and it doesn't chew her airtime; I used it BEFORE my data inhibitor and I got no charges; I use it WITH my data inhibitor and get no problem (the app is not blocked). Opera Mini also works despite my data inhibitor, but give me until tomorrow and I'll let you know if I see data charges.

Inconsistency - and the only place we HAVE to get answers is the internet. But then, like Haldexsaid, it's your word against theirs "We (Vodacom) can't be held responsible for your relying on unofficial Vodacom information and suffering loss". Again, any high priced lawyer can argue that and get your case dismissed before you even get to court or ICASA - AND they'll charge you for it.
 
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For the sake of taking tally - I can add myself to the list of people who used Opera Mobil 6.5 and have not incurred data charges (thus far).

Take that piece of information for what it's worth.
 
Cock.

Suckers.

I'm sure the "Cock. Suckers." would have meant something if the quote from (apparently) me didn't contain the "/snip". I guess this will forever remain a mystery to me.
 
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