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Right, my only interest in crypto whether it goes up or down I couldn't care as long as I find the right entry/exits to scalp profit in $ that I use to live.

As long as crypto exist and I can make $ gains in this form I am happy and for that purpose I enjoy crypto. It is by far a much better and somewhat easier way to make a trading profit without having millions or billions of $ compared to other traditional trading markets.

I think the number 1 thing that crypto put in the hands of the world is to allow amateurs or not so well bankrolled individuals dabble in trading and still have a very good chance of making a killing compared to dabbling in traditional trading markets.

So if there is nothing else good about crypto (and of course there is) then I would rank the number 1 great thing about crypto is educating many more people about trading markets and making it more interesting/exciting than the traditional boring trading markets.

Definitely. I would probably never have known how to read a candlestick chart if it wasn't for crypto. And I agree that it provides an opportunity second to none to make some money with often little to no effort. Even my wife has asked me to teach her how to trade!
 
Short term, I'm thinking a dump through there in a few hours if it breaks the purple line and doesn't go back above it immediately.

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Why and how are we going up on low volume?!

I assume people are holding, anticipating for some fomo to kick in when the media starts to trumpet that BTC has gone over 10k. But with that said I am sure some whales have their sell order just above that anticipated pump leading to a large dump before it heads to all time highs.
 
Bitstamp orderbook has a lot of sell orders from $10000 to $10100. So might be pushed above $10k to fill new shorts/take long profit from liquidated/stopped shorts.
 
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So we will soon be talking about a 10k Bitcoin. Amazing. When we were bored to death with paint movement at 3k not so long ago. now 3x just by holding from those lows.
 
I hope we choke.

I want more dips. Deeper dips.
Except if btc doesn't make higher highs on this run then the likelihood of it ever doing it again just reinforces the belief the 2017 bubble was a once off. Basically it's a massive blow to btc dreams of 100k etc. If the halvening happens with btc under 10K it's not very feasable to mine it and you will never see the speeds and fees to sustain its use case. I understand it's profitable to short btc but why not just wait for it to top out? Longing it should it falter to new lows sub 3k and then hoping next time to wish for it to make new post 20k just seems like gambling. There is already so much bubble stigma after the last burst, who says it will survive another?
 
Except if btc doesn't make higher highs on this run then the likelihood of it ever doing it again just reinforces the belief the 2017 bubble was a once off. Basically it's a massive blow to btc dreams of 100k etc. If the halvening happens with btc under 10K it's not very feasable to mine it and you will never see the speeds and fees to sustain its use case. I understand it's profitable to short btc but why not just wait for it to top out? Longing it should it falter to new lows sub 3k and then hoping next time to wish for it to make new post 20k just seems like gambling. There is already so much bubble stigma after the last burst, who says it will survive another?

It will make higher highs when the shitcoins and scammers die out - btc today is the same btc it was in 2017 same issues in fact more now. So there is no reason for this raise its a fomo/false rally.

My time frame is 10 years. It will take time and protocol changes for the next real bull run to take place.


-> at least that is what I keep telling myself, to prevent me from buying into the current fomo.
 
It will make higher highs when the shitcoins and scammers die out - btc today is the same btc it was in 2017 same issues in fact more now. So there is no reason for this raise its a fomo/false rally.

My time frame is 10 years. It will take time and protocol changes for the next real bull run to take place.


-> at least that is what I keep telling myself, to prevent me from buying into the current fomo.
I get that. Side note :I don't see alts as all shitcoins. Many projects and you see this increasingly in many apps, are trying to decentralise the internet away from an advertising and data control model. The shared ledger model that is useful for btc has many use cases other than financial transactions. Privacy coins like Monero have their use case for bypassing draconian banking/government regulation of moving your assets overseas etc. Eos/Tron/ether/cardano etc have a use case for a new way to network without some massive conglomerate at the centre controlling the data flow. The currency in cryto currency is more than just financial in nature.

As for it taking 10 years for Btc to mature. It's value will always rely on pure belief that it has value. Just like any currency. Gold is making a huge rally right now after years in the doldrums. But Gold at least has a use case other than a store of value. Btc doesn't. I will still get mocked for telling people I am invested in btc. I don't think another bubble burst as some are hoping for will allow it to ever be taken seriously again. You may call me a bitcoin optimist when in fact what I am displaying is ultimate cynicism in that if it fails to reach new highs what will be left is a few whales eating away ar a carcas until it is boney dust.
 
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It will make higher highs when the shitcoins and scammers die out - btc today is the same btc it was in 2017 same issues in fact more now. So there is no reason for this raise its a fomo/false rally.

My time frame is 10 years. It will take time and protocol changes for the next real bull run to take place.


-> at least that is what I keep telling myself, to prevent me from buying into the current fomo.
I get that. Side note :I don't see alts as all shitcoins. Many projects and you see this increasingly in many apps, are trying to decentralise the internet away from an advertising and data control model. The shared ledger model that is useful for btc has many use cases other than financial transactions. Privacy coins like Monero have their use case for bypassing draconian banking/government regulation of moving your assets overseas etc. Eos/Tron/ether/cardano etc have a use case for a new way to network without some massive conglomerate at the centre controlling the data flow. The currency in cryto currency is more than just financial in nature.
 
I get that. Side note :I don't see alts as all shitcoins. Many projects and you see this increasingly in many apps, are trying to decentralise the internet away from an advertising and data control model. The shared ledger model that is useful for btc has many use cases other than financial transactions. Privacy coins like Monero have their use case for bypassing draconian banking/government regulation of moving your assets overseas etc. Eos/Tron/ether/cardano etc have a use case for a new way to network without some massive conglomerate at the centre controlling the data flow. The currency in cryto currency is more than just financial in nature.

As for it taking 10 years for Btc to mature. It's value will always rely on pure belief that it has value. Just like any currency. Gold is making a huge rally right now after years in the doldrums. But Gold at least has a use case other than a store of value. Btc doesn't. I will still get mocked for telling people I am invested in btc. I don't think another bubble burst as some are hoping for will allow it to ever be taken seriously again. You may call me a bitcoin optimist when in fact what I am displaying is ultimate cynicism in that if it fails to reach new highs what will be left is a few whales eating away ar a carcas until it is boney dust.
The issue is that there's nothing to justify this price right now. There's nothing majorly new when it comes to Bitcoin. There's no real uptrend when it comes to crypto in general. It's nothing but fomo (and perhaps manipulation) and when it eventually reaches the top, wherever that is, and sinks again it will hurt it more than just remaining stagnant again for a while. The best case for its future would be for it to drop 50-60% now before it goes further.
 
F this I'm cashing in
You might have timed that badly. Virtually no mans land above with very little historical resistance above (btc has only spent 48 days above 10k). Currently 10700 and we could glide a lot higher if fomo kicks in.
 
The issue is that there's nothing to justify this price right now. There's nothing majorly new when it comes to Bitcoin. There's no real uptrend when it comes to crypto in general. It's nothing but fomo (and perhaps manipulation) and when it eventually reaches the top, wherever that is, and sinks again it will hurt it more than just remaining stagnant again for a while. The best case for its future would be for it to drop 50-60% now before it goes further.
Was there ever anything to justify the price? In the age of free swiping, paying with your phone, low fees etc the banking sector is miles ahead of crypto for convenience, ease of use and fees.

Btc use case is a store of value and all it has got going for it is people's belief that it's digital gold, to use a cliche, coupled with the real fact that it has deflation built into it. If people started to actually spend their btc for everyday things it ironically would crash the price because it meant it lost that aspect of scarcity. People are stupid and hypnotized by btc and cynically that's probably enough for it to go higher and higher.

Also the fractional reserve banking system is the biggest con game in human history and fiat also has no reason to have value. When u borrow anything from a bank they type that value into a computer and 90% of the value magically comes into existence as they need only in reality hold 10%. Except you now have to pay back that money with ingenuity and actual work..... Oh! Plus interest!

Compared to that madness btc fomo is completely rational.
 
Was there ever anything to justify the price?
Yes, in 2017 you could say it was the forks. We all know they were just money grabs with only 2 being semi successful but still it created demand. That's what it's about. It's scarcity and demand which creates value. So yes fiat currency has a reason to have value. Increase the supply and it loses its value. Decrease the supply and it gains value. It's still scarce even if people use it. For Bitcoin to be successful people have to use it.

Bitcoin's deflation is dependent on more people using and demanding it. Its susceptibility to manipulation is due to its small user base. Traditional market are also manipulated but they have external value and more users so it's not so easy. Bitcoin should only increase in value and become less volatile with a bigger user base.
 
Yes, in 2017 you could say it was the forks. We all know they were just money grabs with only 2 being semi successful but still it created demand. That's what it's about. It's scarcity and demand which creates value. So yes fiat currency has a reason to have value. Increase the supply and it loses its value. Decrease the supply and it gains value. It's still scarce even if people use it. For Bitcoin to be successful people have to use it.

Bitcoin's deflation is dependent on more people using and demanding it. Its susceptibility to manipulation is due to its small user base. Traditional market are also manipulated but they have external value and more users so it's not so easy. Bitcoin should only increase in value and become less volatile with a bigger user base.
I disagree. Who uses their Gold or diamonds? Both materials actually have industrial use, but if that was their only purpose they'd diminish in value. Nobody would dangerously venture deep into the earth to gather them. Their value is that people hoard them on their fingers, ears, necks, wrists and in their safe. The more people hold btc like some precious stone the more valuable it becomes and more scarce.

Edit. There is around 0.0028 btc for every human being. But almost everyone, even very poor has some form of precious metal or stone.
 
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