Blended & local only ADSL

Just wish I could do it on my single account with the 30 GB there mostly no utilised properly.
:sick:
:rolleyes:
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RoMark said:
Just wish I could do it on my single account with the 30 GB there mostly no utilised properly.
:sick:
:rolleyes:
;)
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Yep happends on the telkom accounts, I have recently got a prepaid account for the last week of the month so i can use my local.

Its a little extra cost, but its worth the 30gigs of downloads i get in the end.
 
Yeah, I have two accounts - 5Gb Telkom, 10Gb Afrihost, when the 5Gb telkom is up, we go 10Gb afrihost, 25Gb telkom local only using the linksys router solution developed by our own Sir Gatecrasher (esq).

I guess my advice to ALL the ISP's out there is to PM Gatecrasher and see if you can secure his expertise to develop an in-house system to work on your hardware. Of course I believe he would be more than willing for the right price :D
 
It is very difficult for ISP's to do bandwidth accounting for local vs international cap if they were to provide this service. My feeling is they should liberate local bandwidth totally and give it to existing broadband subscribers for free and thus only account international bandwidth. This will open up new markets in South Africa for digital media like in other countries. In SA this is not feasible because you pay for content and the bandwidth to download that content you've paid for.
With increasing capacity on local fibre connectivity between major centres and even rural areas maybe this will become a reality in the near future. Furthermore, if telco's can start competing on last mile access (cutting out the big T) we can see a big drop in broadband pricing. Neotel is aiming in the right direction, I just hope they have the capacity to execute.
 
rpm said:
Blended versus local only ADSL data

Why splitting local and international ADSL bandwidth is a great idea
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With the lack of local content due to high bandwidth pricing for local hosting (even though it has been coming down recently) I don't see how the pricing model of "blended" ADSL bandwidth is sustainable, as most people would burn their bandwidth on international sites anyway.

This thinking is flawed and should be revised. Thank you Telkom for your "genius" number crunching being in effect with all ISP's trying to scramble to make a buck...
 
Almost all of my favourite sites are hosted overseas. I get 30GB on my Telkom account, and don't use it, except for My Broadband - thanks for hosting it locally!
 
mbp said:
Yeah, I have two accounts - 5Gb Telkom, 10Gb Afrihost, when the 5Gb telkom is up, we go 10Gb afrihost, 25Gb telkom local only using the linksys router solution developed by our own Sir Gatecrasher (esq).

I guess my advice to ALL the ISP's out there is to PM Gatecrasher and see if you can secure his expertise to develop an in-house system to work on your hardware. Of course I believe he would be more than willing for the right price :D
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Again, splitting local and international is not rocket science and they know how to do it, in fact, it's pretty easy from their side to do something like this. But it's been mentioned by Matthew Tagg himself that it's not in their interest to do this due to profit takings being lower and the whole marketing model going wonky if they do.

My point above is also true based on your statement. You'll use your 5 and 10gb for international traffic only. How is their "model" true when, with the lack of local content and your thinking of "we should rather use all our bandwidth for international" helping this fallacy of profit margin?

The ISP's should stick with the pricing model where they markup on cost price and then hope to God nobody uses their full cap. However, in Web Africa's case that won't matter in a few months time because they're switching from "per gig reselling" to "per mb pipes"

A perfect chance for them to revolutionize this way of thinking and profiteering, but won't, because the love of money... oi... how it is the bane of South Africa
 
Acid - maybe you can post a solution to this problem of accounting for traffic local vs. international - or point the ISP in the right direction. I've discussed it with one of the more progressive ISP's in SA and they have investigated this for their customers but they yet have to find a feasible solution.
Any pointers will be most welcome!
 
I don't think its as hard when they have control over their own network as most are moving towards nowadays, so now they do the traffic directing on their own network and it begs the question why none have come out with it.
 
acrobat said:
Acid - maybe you can post a solution to this problem of accounting for traffic local vs. international - or point the ISP in the right direction. I've discussed it with one of the more progressive ISP's in SA and they have investigated this for their customers but they yet have to find a feasible solution.
Any pointers will be most welcome!
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They lied to you.

And the reason they haven't found a feasable solution is because 100% of all ISP's resell their bandwidth they get from IS or SAIX or MTN Business or Vodacom. They don't have the capacity to choose what to do with their bandwidth, only that they sell it.

Telkom (aka SAIX) have had the ability to split local and international since 2002. You're not going to convince me otherwise because I know this as a fact.

With them forcing others to do the same it's only natural for this business model to be perpetuated across the board.

Go read Matthew Tagg's response to my question if Web Africa, being the only public ISP who started out as a reseller of bandwidth from SAIX/IS etc, would be doing that. He said that even though they can, the business model would mean that international gigs would cost more..... **** knows why because most users would access international sites mostly due to the lack of local content. Period.
 
krycor said:
I don't think its as hard when they have control over their own network as most are moving towards nowadays, so now they do the traffic directing on their own network and it begs the question why none have come out with it.
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Simple, money.

Like I said, I know for a fact ISP's are able to distinguish between local and international on blended accounts just because most of them resell SAIX and I know SAIX can do that (and I know IS can too)

The saving on bandwidth they make on a 3gig "blended" account *might* MIGHT *MIGHT* be 300-400mb, depending on e-mail usage.

But you can't tell me Joe Soap who knows almost nothing about this and who uses the internet to gmail and youtube would use local services at all while he can enjoy all those international bandwidth hungry sites?

Where's the money saving in that???
 
". However, in Web Africa's case that won't matter in a few months time because they're switching from "per gig reselling" to "per mb pipes"

i will first inline to sign up with webafrica when or if they change to that model because trully 384kb/s uncapped is only +-100gig.
 
I have a question. If ISPs can't distinguish between local and international traffic, how is it possible that they can offer local only bandwidth?

I don't know at which part of the process they "count" the data but if they moved that to where the traffic is "split" it could be quite easy:confused:
 
Kaufies said:
I have a question. If ISPs can't distinguish between local and international traffic, how is it possible that they can offer local only bandwidth? I don't know at which part of the process they "count" the data but if they moved that to where the traffic is "split" it could be quite easy:confused:
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The experts will know the details, but when it comes to billing it is not always as easy as it may seem prima facie. For example: there can be two option – local traffic billing (excluding all international traffic) and all traffic. The option of billing local and international differently in real time is obviously significantly more complex as it does not merely bill traffic, but where the traffic is going/coming from.

It is possible, but as mentioned in the article it may well be that an ISP will not charge R 50 – R 70 for international bandwidth (as this is a blended rate, assuming some local usage), but maybe R 100 per Gb or above. This is why splitting traffic on your side is a great idea – you essentially get the best possible price.

Thanks Gatecrasher and friends ;)
 
How much bandwith does it use to run a website, like this one for instance?
And is it possible to use your Telkom Internet to run it and host it for South Africans?
 
Gatecrasher's howto's are great if you are using DD-WRT. Tumbleweed has a guide to doing it with regular old Openwrt. It is not entirely coherent, and needs reading the whole page, including all the comments, but I got it working without too much effort.

Linky
 
wpswart006 said:
How much bandwith does it use to run a website, like this one for instance?
And is it possible to use your Telkom Internet to run it and host it for South Africans?
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I assume MyBB's bandwidth usage is pretty high (thanks, TK:p) but I have no idea as to how high.

You could install a web server on your computer like Apache. But it would be very slow and could get overloaded quite easily. I once wrote a primitive server in Java and ran it on an adsl connection- didn't work very well.
 
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