Blu-ray wins the war

If this is true and Blu-Ray is the winner, it is a sad day for consumer rights indeed :(

Goodbye the days of region free players, and when BD+ comes into play, good luck making copies for your PSP/Ipod/Media player of choice. I still think if I have made a legal purchase of a movie, I should be able to play it on what I want where I want.
 
Nuro said:
If this is true and Blu-Ray is the winner, it is a sad day for consumer rights indeed :(

Goodbye the days of region free players, and when BD+ comes into play, good luck making copies for your PSP/Ipod/Media player of choice. I still think if I have made a legal purchase of a movie, I should be able to play it on what I want where I want.
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At the end of the day it was really microsoft (xbox) vs Sony (PS3) over the "format war". As for the copying to a media of your choice, DVDs, HD-DVD and Blu-ray all have anti copying built into them. You're just saying that it'll be harder to copy blu-ray over hd-dvd which is a clear reason for the larger companies to support blu-ray.

But, to us consumers, the most important thing really is price. So long as blu-ray discs are not much more expensive than HD-DVD, who really cares?
 
Nuro said:
If this is true and Blu-Ray is the winner, it is a sad day for consumer rights indeed :(

Goodbye the days of region free players, and when BD+ comes into play, good luck making copies for your PSP/Ipod/Media player of choice. I still think if I have made a legal purchase of a movie, I should be able to play it on what I want where I want.
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Hackers have been very "innovative" thus far, surely they would come up with a workaround?
 
Besides, I've seen this war being declared "over" many times before.

I always thought that the 2 formats were complimentary, with HD-DVD more suitable for movies and Blu-ray for data. I'd love to see dual-format burners and readers become more popular, but it seems that the price for those units were simply too high.
 
it's man made i can be broken/hacked:D
might take a bit of time
 
DVD and HD-DVD had pure encryption, which is why it has been easier to break. BD+ is in fact almost a type of virtual machine, that can inspect it's environment, and run extra code needed to unscramble the content. There have been attempts at breaking BD+, but most claims of success have been false. Price is an issue for me, but our rights as consumers are going down the drain. Since I can't make any backups of movies I have paid for, next time the kids have an "oops" with the disc, I have to buy a new one. So I'm paying for the replacement of the physical disc, and re-paying for royalties etc...

This is the same issue I have with any media format changing. Everytime I'm paying for royalties, again.
 
Nuro said:
DVD and HD-DVD had pure encryption, which is why it has been easier to break. BD+ is in fact almost a type of virtual machine, that can inspect it's environment, and run extra code needed to unscramble the content. There have been attempts at breaking BD+, but most claims of success have been false. Price is an issue for me, but our rights as consumers are going down the drain. Since I can't make any backups of movies I have paid for, next time the kids have an "oops" with the disc, I have to buy a new one. So I'm paying for the replacement of the physical disc, and re-paying for royalties etc...

This is the same issue I have with any media format changing. Everytime I'm paying for royalties, again.
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I'm hearing "flash the firmware" shouted really loudly... :D
 
While I am a supporter of Blue ray I dont like the fact that I cant currently back up my discs. I have two kids the number of discs that are now shot....

Still I don't think that once the worlds attention is focused on one format we surely wont be far from a solution. The PS3 can run linux as an alternative OS. How long before guys find a way to help us back up our discs via a nice linux distro?
 
TiredOfWaiting said:
I'm hearing "flash the firmware" shouted really loudly... :D
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Problem is, it might not help. BD+ can check the validity of your player firmware (checksums, memory footprint etc), and refuse to work. I'm not 100% on the technical aspects, just reading the whitepaper.
 
Wynsam said:
While I am a supporter of Blue ray I dont like the fact that I cant currently back up my discs. I have two kids the number of discs that are now shot....

Still I don't think that once the worlds attention is focused on one format we surely wont be far from a solution. The PS3 can run linux as an alternative OS. How long before guys find a way to help us back up our discs via a nice linux distro?
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Are you suggesting that you use your PS3 to back up your discs?

It only has a blu-ray reader, not a burner afaik...

And if not, since most (read +/-80%) of people use Windows, it is most likely that the pirating software will be released on that platform first.
 
Why should a PS3 not be able to read and extract the data to a HDD? I plan to have a 1Tb drive(expandable) sitting next to my PS3 in the near future.
 
Wynsam said:
Why should a PS3 not be able to read and extract the data to a HDD? I plan to have a 1Tb drive(expandable) sitting next to my PS3 in the near future.
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Oh, sorry, my idea of backing up a disc usually involves burning it to a blank disc as well... :o
 
Wynsam said:
Why should a PS3 not be able to read and extract the data to a HDD? I plan to have a 1Tb drive(expandable) sitting next to my PS3 in the near future.
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With a 1TB drive, you might be able to hold 70 movies (when you strip away the extras), probably less. Hi-Def movies are huge. The problem is not getting it off the disc. The problem is space, and breaking through two layers of protection, the second one being software code.
 
HDD prices will come down as my collection grows. It will be a while before I buy that many discs.
 
anybody wanna buy a HD DVD player for Xbox 360.. I purchased it two weeks ago and is in mint condition
 
Does anyone know if the Blu-Ray players are backwards compatible with the older DVD format?
 
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