Bombardier Cseries thread

Bombardier CSeries Suffers Blow as First Client Backs Off

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Bombardier Inc. (BBD/B) will have to find another CSeries jet buyer to become the troubled plane’s first operator after Sweden’s Braathens Aviation AB said it’s seeking changes to its delivery schedule.

“We have informed Bombardier that we will not assume the role of formal launch operator,” Braathens, a buyer of 10 of the jets, said today in a quarterly filing. “Due to increased uncertainty we are discussing other possible changes to the aircraft delivery schedule with Bombardier.”

Braathens’s move adds to Bombardier’s struggles to develop and sell its biggest-ever model. The CSeries has been parked for three months after an engine fire during a ground trial, an incident that followed two delays to Bombardier’s timeline to get the plane in service. The May 29 blowout “may cause another delay to the CSeries introduction,” the Swedish company said today without elaborating.

Bombardier is sticking by its most recent forecast to have the smallest version of the jet -- the CS100 -- make its commercial debut in the second half of 2015, Marc Duchesne, a spokesman for the Montreal-based manufacturer, said today in a telephone interview. Bombardier has said it expects the bigger CS300 version to follow suit six months later.

The Canadian company’s widely traded Class B shares fell 3.2 percent to C$3.66 at the close in Toronto, their biggest one-day decline since May 15.

Engine Failure

Bombardier halted test flights of the CSeries after the blowout in which a Pratt & Whitney engine failed during ground testing in Mirabel, Quebec. Bombardier has repeatedly said it expects flight testing to resume in coming weeks and Duchesne reiterated that position again today. Work on the engine “is progressing very well,” he said.

A three-to-four-month halt to flight testing, “assuming the program resumes next month, will probably push entry into service toward the end of 2015,” Konark Gupta, an analyst at Macquarie Capital Markets in Toronto, said today in an interview.

Bombardier isn’t likely to announce a new timeline for introducing the aircraft because the current schedule is “wide enough to absorb a three-four month delay,” he said. Gupta rates the shares outperform, the equivalent of a buy.

Planemaker Dominance

With a seating capacity ranging from 108 to 160 people, the CSeries is trying to crack a duopoly in single-aisle models held by Boeing Co. and Airbus Group NV. The dominance of those planemakers and the delays in the introduction of the jet mean it will be that much harder for Bombardier to achieve a goal of $8 billion in annual revenue from CSeries by later this decade.

Braathens agreed in 2011 to order 10 CSeries jets in a pact valued at $665 million, based on list prices. The accord also contained options for a further 10 aircraft, boosting its potential value to about $1.37 billion, Bombardier said at the time. Bombardier didn’t disclose a timeline for the deliveries when it announced the deal.

The Swedish company “has changed its business plan and asked for a later delivery slot,” Duchesne said. “It’s not unusual for an airline to ask a manufacturer to deliver planes at a different date. So it’s not a catastrophe for us.”

Malmo Aviation, the domestic unit of Braathens, was scheduled to receive the first CSeries jets in July or August of next year, Gupta said. Duchesne, citing confidentiality agreements, declined to say when Malmo wants the jets to be delivered.

Bombardier is talking with other potential customers to find a replacement for Braathens as the entry-into-service operator, Duchesne also said. An announcement will be made “in due time,” he said.

damn damn damn :mad::mad:
 
I've never heard if this jet before. Can you please explain what makes this different as to the usual airbus/boeing croud?

I have heard of it but Bombardier are only known (to me) for making microlight engines. I would be cautious about anything more ambitious. They don’t have much experience.
 
I have heard of it but Bombardier are only known (to me) for making microlight engines. I would be cautious about anything more ambitious. They don’t have much experience.

I think their background is in snowmobile engines (if it’s the same mob). I don’t think I would go for their plane. I have nothing against it, but it is an expensive buy and I would prefer a stronger reputation.
 
I think their background is in snowmobile engines (if it’s the same mob). I don’t think I would go for their plane. I have nothing against it, but it is an expensive buy and I would prefer a stronger reputation.

Bombardier have a fantastic reputation as a regional and business jet maker. They are also very big in locomotives etc.

Your opinion is misguided in my opinion.
 
Wow... Packer.... I can't believe you made a statement like that without first looking into the company and seeing what they ACTUALLY make..... They are the biggest regional jet producer in the world and have aircraft flying all over the world.. SA Express has a fleet of them, as do various other African airlines. I personally fly a Bombardier CRJ200 and can say that when it was designed and brought into service it made a lot of money for a lot of airlines. The CRJ200 is now getting older, but that's why they have also made the CRJ700/900/1000, never mind all the business jet variants and the turbo props airlines they also make (q300/400)...

Pease don't be like the average person on the street and jump to conclusions, just because "you think"... Research facts first, then make a decision...
 
Wow... Packer.... I can't believe you made a statement like that without first looking into the company and seeing what they ACTUALLY make..... They are the biggest regional jet producer in the world and have aircraft flying all over the world.. SA Express has a fleet of them, as do various other African airlines. I personally fly a Bombardier CRJ200 and can say that when it was designed and brought into service it made a lot of money for a lot of airlines. The CRJ200 is now getting older, but that's why they have also made the CRJ700/900/1000, never mind all the business jet variants and the turbo props airlines they also make (q300/400)...

Pease don't be like the average person on the street and jump to conclusions, just because "you think"... Research facts first, then make a decision...

I'm impressed. Direct me to any sites or post a (brief) synopsis of aircraft specs. In the 4-seat 'truck' configuration?
 
ever heard of google.... or yahoo....

i am guessing not, judging by your attitude...
 
Goldman cuts price target on Bombardier; sees further CSeries delay

(Reuters) - Goldman Sachs cut its price target on Bombardier Inc (BBDb.TO)(BDRBF.PK) and reiterated a "sell" rating on shares of the train and plane maker on Tuesday, warning it expected the CSeries aircraft's entry into service to be delayed again.

Goldman's price cut came just days after a Swedish carrier backed out as the first customer to start commercial flights with its new CSeries jet.

Malmo Aviation, owned by Sweden's Braathens Aviation, was slated to be the first CSeries customer to take delivery of the new jet in the second half of 2015, but the airline said on Friday that will no longer be the case. It cited worries about further delays after a May engine failure grounded the jets.

"We believe the CSeries will negatively impact Bombardier's financial results and create negative catalysts for the next

several years," Goldman analyst Noah Poponak said in a note to clients.

Poponak reiterated the "sell" rating and trimmed his price target to C$3 from C$3.20.

The CSeries aircraft, which will compete with Boeing Co's (BA.N) 737 MAX as well as the Airbus (AIR.PA) A320neo, has been grounded for more than three months. Bombardier, following an initial test flight in September 2013, had earmarked roughly two years for testing after a delay in the development process.

Poponak said the aircraft has completed just 330 hours of flight testing since its first flight, out of a planned 2,400 total hours, meaning Bombardier has achieved less than 15 percent of planned flight test hours, while using nearly half of the time it had allotted toward testing.

He contended if flight tests resumed in September, Bombardier would need to complete an average of about 160 test flight hours per month to achieve the currently planned second half of 2015 entry into service.

"We see that as very unlikely given the pace achieved before grounding, momentum (not just time) lost during grounding, and

the high risk of new problems occurring other than this engine incident," said Poponak.

Shares in Bombardier closed more than 3 percent lower at C$3.66 on Friday on the Toronto Stock Exchange after the Swedish carrier said it was backing out.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/us-bombardier-stocks-goldman-idUSKBN0GX17W20140902

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Bombardier Inc resumes CSeries test flights as development costs quadruple

Bombardier Inc. Sunday conducted the first test flight of its CSeries jet since an on-the-ground engine failure in May set back efforts to introduce the narrow-body airliner next year.

The flight at Bombardier’s facility in Mirabel, Quebec, followed a review of the earlier problem and measures taken to prevent a recurrence, the Montreal-based manufacturer of planes and trains said in a statement Sunday. Precautions included modifying the engine’s oil-lubrication system.

Getting the jet airborne is critical to Bombardier’s effort to meet its target for a CSeries debut in the second half of 2015 after missing an earlier planned release date last year. Bombardier’s projected development costs have soared to about US$4.4 billion from $1 billion after the company twice pushed back its timeline and got a late start on test flights.

“We are pleased to see CSeries aircraft back in air,” Rob Dewar, vice-president of Bombardier’s CSeries program, said in the statement. “The geared turbofan engine has over 10,000 hours of ground and flight testing and we’re confident it will enter into service meeting or exceeding the fuel burn, emissions, thrust & noise specifications, as promised by Pratt & Whitney,” which makes the engines.

http://business.financialpost.com/2...-test-flights-as-development-costs-quadruple/
 
Bombardier C Series said to be favourite for Austrian fleet revamp

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Bombardier Inc.’s C Series aircraft, dogged by delays and rising costs, has emerged as the front-runner to win an order from Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Austrian unit, two people familiar with the matter said.

Austrian Airlines is leaning toward asking its parent for approval to buy 16 C Series planes, said one of the people, who asked not to be named because details aren’t public. Lufthansa is already taking 30 of the jets for its Swiss arm and has options on 30 more.

Securing a follow-on order from Europe’s second-biggest airline group would give Bombardier a lift as it struggles to crack the Boeing Co.-Airbus Group NV duopoly in narrow-body jets. In the Austrian contest, the C Series may have an edge as it’s closer in size to the 21 Fokker planes it would replace.

“Swiss will get the C Series, but we have not yet decided if we will also fly the plane at Austrian,” said Thomas Jachnow, a spokesman on fleet matters at Germany’s Lufthansa.

Bombardier spokeswoman Genevieve Roy-Theriault said from Shanghai that “at the moment there is nothing new” regarding a follow-on order from the Cologne-based company.

The C Series will come in two sizes, with the CS100 due to seat 108 to 125 passengers and the CS300 carrying 135 to 160. At Austrian, the jets to be retired comprise 15 Fokker 100s, with a capacity of 100 people, and six Fokker 70s, seating 80.

Also in the running are the Airbus A319, a shrink of the baseline A320 single-aisle model with 124 seats in a two-class layout, and the E190 from Embraer SA of Brazil, Montreal-based Bombardier’s biggest rival in the regional jet market.

Austrian Air said on May 30 that it would suspend plans to choose a Fokker successor this year until reaching a new wage deal with employee representatives. The airline said last week that an accord had been agreed and will take effect Dec. 1.

Bombardier opted to develop the C Series, its biggest-ever aircraft, after helping to pioneer the regional-jet industry in the 1990s. The company once looked at buying Fokker NV to aid the leap into larger planes, before abandoning the plan in February 1996, with the Dutch manufacturer ceasing production.

The C Series is now set to enter service in the second half of next year after missing a planned 2013 debut, and the program - which aims to generate as much as $8 billion in revenue once in full production - is $1 billion over budget.

Bombardier secured a deal for 40 of the jets from the leasing arm of Australia’s Macquarie Group Ltd. last month. While that boosted the order tally to 243, that’s still short of the 300 targeted by the time of service entry, and Lufthansa remains the largest carrier to commit.

Sweden’s Braathens Aviation AB backed away from plans to be the first C Series operator in August, saying it was in talks about changes in the delivery schedule for a 10-plane order.

The biggest U.S. order deal is also in doubt after Republic Airways Holdings Inc. said in May it was considering what to do about a purchase of 40 planes following the sale of the unit that would have used them. On May 29, a C Series jet also suffered an engine failure during a ground trial, forcing Bombardier to park the test fleet for three months.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...te-for-austrian-fleet-revamp/article21105472/

Whoooo hooo! Things looking up for the Cseries! :D
 
United Airlines in talks to buy new narrow-body planes: Bloomberg

(Reuters) - Chicago-based United Airlines is in talks with Embraer SA (EMBR3.SA) and Bombardier Inc (BBDb.TO) to buy new narrow-body planes, Bloomberg reported citing people familiar with the matter.

The discussions involve the largest models in Embraer’s updated E-Jets family and Bombardier’s smallest CSeries, according to Bloomberg.

United is not giving details regarding its fleet strategy, which includes assessing new and used planes, Bloomberg reported citing a spokeswoman for parent United Continental Holdings Inc (UAL.N).

The company is talking to all the manufacturers, Bloomberg reported citing Megan McCarthy, a spokeswoman for United Continental Holdings.

United Airlines, Embraer and Bombardier could not immediately be reached for comment.

This could be a big scoop for Bombardier. I hope they get it.
 
Bombardier postpones first flight for larger CSeries jet

TORONTO (Reuters) - Canadian planemaker Bombardier Inc BBDb.TO has called off Thursday's planned first test flight for the CS300, the larger version of its new CSeries narrow-body jet, because of poor weather.
In a short post on its website on Wednesday, Bombardier said the flight would take place "very soon."

Bombardier is under pressure to bring the CSeries into service after years of delays and cost overruns.


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If it's just weather related then it's a non issue, anything else...

Would love to see this aerie in SA. Could there be a case made for one of the state owned airlines, especially for opening and flying new routes into Africa.
 
Bombardier's larger CSeries jet to begin flight testing Reuters-7 hours ago

TORONTO Feb 26 (Reuters) - Bombardier Inc confirmed on Thursday that it will begin long-delayed flight testing on Friday on the CS300 - the larger version of its new CSeries narrow-body jet.

The first flight, which had been scheduled to take place on Thursday, had been called off earlier this week because of poor weather.

The Montreal-based company is under pressure to bring the CSeries into service after years of delays and cost overruns.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/27/bombardier-cseries-idUSL1N0W101520150227
 
Cseries to be at the Paris Air Show in June 2015

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(Bloomberg) -- Bombardier Inc. plans to display its delayed CSeries aircraft at this year’s Paris Air Show, the first time that the jet will appear at the year’s biggest aviation exhibit.

“It is our intention to come to Le Bourget this year,” Rob Dewar, vice president of the CSeries program, said Tuesday in a telephone interview from Mirabel, Quebec, referring to the Paris airport where the biennial show is held. “We have secured spots.”

This year’s show is scheduled for June 15 to 21.

“It’s a product that they’ve been trying to market to customers and certainly, that is a very high-profile event,” Peter Arment, an analyst at Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., said in a telephone interview. “It probably helps renew their effort in terms of their sales campaigns.”

The CSeries has missed international air exhibits in the last two years because of delays in its first flight and a grounding last year following an engine fire. Montreal-based Bombardier expects that the program, which is about two years behind schedule, will cost about $5.4 billion. That is $1 billion higher than the company’s estimate a year ago.

Bombardier is racing to complete flight tests on the CSeries and meet its goal of starting deliveries of the CS100 model, with a capacity of up to 125 passengers, by year-end. The CS300, with up to 160 seats, is expected to enter service six months after the CS100. The larger jet had its first flight Feb. 27.

Second Test

Bombardier had completed about 1,080 hours of flight tests on the CS100 as of Monday, and a second flight of the CS300 took place over Quebec on Tuesday, Dewar said.

Regulators at Transport Canada will allow some of the flight-simulator tests completed to count toward the 2,400 flight-hour total required for the CSeries, he said.

Data collected in the air so far show that the CSeries either meets or exceeds the company’s performance targets, Dewar said.

Bombardier has said the CSeries, which features a new geared turbofan engine from United Technologies Corp.’s Pratt & Whitney unit, will cost about 15 percent less to operate, cut fuel consumption about 20 percent and produce less noise than competing jets from Boeing Co. and Airbus Group NV.

“A number of customers are really, really pleased that out of the box, as we say, we’re right on track,” Dewar said. “Usually you have some shortfalls you have to go improve.”

The CS300’s maiden flight has sparked “renewed interest” from potential buyers, Dewar said, declining to name the companies.

Grupo Aeromexico SAB is studying the CSeries as a potential replacement for its fleet of Embraer SA regional jets, Chief Executive Officer Andres Conesa told Bloomberg News in an interview Tuesday.

Dewar declined to comment about the Mexican carrier.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...exhibit-delayed-cseries-jet-at-paris-air-show
 
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