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Are you guys not amazed at how willing some forumites are to condone the slaughter of a child here?

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The world is already over populated.

I love it when i p!ss people off when I say that!!:D
 
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Don't you think there's a little flaw in your argument? The vast majority of South Africans aren't criminals. You have the highest murder rate in the world and you are wanting people not to protect themselves, seriously? You are either an ANC lackey, a criminal, or very liberal.

I agree it's a shame the kid got shot, but accidents happen, and unfortunately in S.A. those accidents normally end in death. Tis the nature of the beast.

You gotta love the conservative relics on this forum.
They make sure to cover everything in their debate against anyone.
Label! Label! Label! I say:D
 
Yes, and you would agree there is a huge difference between a tactical situation, and an 11-year-old in the back yard.

What could possibly be an extenuating circumstance for this guy blowing away a child, in the YARD, not the HOUSE, while visiting his granny? How do you think black people feell about this baas shooting the child in the yard of the madam? Do you think this incident is good for South Africa? How do you think the lawmakers and the courts will respond to it?

Eish playing the race card is not going to help your attempts to convince people you're not a bleeding heart liberal

As for how she felt about her "baas"

He died about 30 minutes later, after the employer tried to perform CPR on him.

"I blame myself," Ramolefe told The Times newspaper.

"[The employer] was just trying to protect my grandson."

Earlier in the day on Tuesday, there was an attempted break-in at the Johannesburg house

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-07-02-sandton-man-in-court-over-death-of-11yearold-boy


Are you guys not amazed at how willing some forumites are to condone the slaughter of a child here?

I'm sure most are trying to get around your logic of putting thousands of innocent home owners at the mercy of, as you put it, "bloodthirsty South Africans" for the sake of perhaps 1 or 2 awful incidents where a non threatening intruder gets killed

Still waiting for an explanation on how one determines if an intruder is a threat or not. Third time of asking
 
Yes, and you would agree there is a huge difference between a tactical situation, and an 11-year-old in the back yard.

What could possibly be an extenuating circumstance for this guy blowing away a child, in the YARD, not the HOUSE, while visiting his granny? How do you think black people feell about this baas shooting the child in the yard of the madam? Do you think this incident is good for South Africa? How do you think the lawmakers and the courts will respond to it?

Are you guys not amazed at how willing some forumites are to condone the slaughter of a child here?

I FULLY support the governement in taking away weapons from some of the crazies in this forum.

Shame on you all.

I'm sorry but if the domestic worker didn't seek permission for the kid to be there the guy had every right. There's been case after case where the domestic worker has let crims in willingly or provided them with information, so what you are saying is anyone can come visit your employees at their place of work without the owners permission? Pah!

When you are at work and you get visitors without the permission of your employer, they won't be very tolerant of it will they now? S.A. is a unique case where crime is rampant and the crime of house invasion is a reality, even with criminals as young as 11 I say shoot first ask questions later...

Survival of the fittest...

Yes shame on the home owner
 
Here is a perfect example of why castle doctrine is flawed.
Get someone to translate if you don't understand it:

http://jv.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2535119,00.html

The translated headline reads "Scared resident shoots 11-year old"
It is about the owner of a castle in Parkmore Johannesburg, who mistook the 11 year old son of his maid for a burglar, and killed him with his hunting rifle. Or did he "neutralise" him?

He is in jail and is being charged with murder.

Read the article to get the whole picture.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1027183
English article
Horrible accident but its hardly a justification to disarm the nation because of the actions of one idiot. What next - ban all cars because my neighbour gets pissed and ploughs into a bus stop?
 
You gotta love the conservative relics on this forum.
They make sure to cover everything in their debate against anyone.
Label! Label! Label! I say:D

I think you've mistaken conservative with sensible :D

And I aint no relic! ;)
 
I don't think plazma started posting in this thread with that position. He was merely advocating responsibility in gun ownership.

The only disarmament he spoke of to begin with was tongue in cheek based on some callous posts. See Mila's wonderful last example of an attitude that tells us that in too many cases, guns are in the wrong hands.
 
I don't think plazma started posting in this thread with that position. He was merely advocating responsibility in gun ownership.

The only disarmament he spoke of to begin with was tongue in cheek based on some callous posts. See Mila's wonderful last example of an attitude that tells us that in too many cases, guns are in the wrong hands.
Yep, disarm the police (eventually).:)
 
And you did not see the sarcasm?

I like pressing the wrong buttons

No. Do you know what sarcasm is?

Again, someone who likes pressing the wrong buttons should not own a firearm.
 
Finally, some sense!

Imagine the button-presser, armed and dangerous, deliberately taunting you into a fight/argument.... so he can kill you??:eek:

My god with more people like you we are in for a dangerous time.
I can see it now, criminals all over handing in their guns and giving up their trade.
Yay!!
 
Gran: I blame myself

Yes, and you would agree there is a huge difference between a tactical situation, and an 11-year-old in the back yard.

What could possibly be an extenuating circumstance for this guy blowing away a child, in the YARD, not the HOUSE, while visiting his granny? How do you think black people feell about this baas shooting the child in the yard of the madam? Do you think this incident is good for South Africa? How do you think the lawmakers and the courts will respond to it?

Are you guys not amazed at how willing some forumites are to condone the slaughter of a child here?

I FULLY support the governement in taking away weapons from some of the crazies in this forum.

Shame on you all.

I think you have a serious reading problem - You in the SAPS? - it's quite prevalent in that organisation.

Gran: I blame myself
http://www.news24.com/Content/South...4e9dea9b/02-07-2009 11-07/Gran_I_blame_myself
 
I think you have a serious reading problem - You in the SAPS? - it's quite prevalent in that organisation.

Gran: I blame myself
http://www.news24.com/Content/South...4e9dea9b/02-07-2009 11-07/Gran_I_blame_myself

Well, if you want to be that childish, then...
No, but I think you be dyslexic, or worse.
The granny did not pull the trigger, has not been arrested, is not sitting in a cell, and is not wondering why, why why she did not look properly before pulling the trigger.

"Ramolefe's grandson, Kgopotse, 11, had arrived in Parkmore, Sandton from Polokwane to visit his grandmother during the school holidays.

On Tuesday night, he started screaming, "Granny come quickly", and Ramolefe immediately ran to warn her employer, considering that there had been several break-ins at the house recently.

The employer took out his hunting rifle and, seeing a "head at the window" of the Zozo hut where Ramolefe lived, he fired a shot, hitting Kgopotse in the head.

He died about 30 minutes later, after the employer tried to perform CPR on him.

"I blame myself," Ramolefe told The Times newspaper."

Which part are you having difficulty with, dude?

Even if the grandmother forgot to mention to her employer that her grandson was on the property, then this sad incident perfectly illustrates why nobody should be allowed to shoot indiscriminately when they think they see an attacker or whatever on their premises, in their house... if you still don't get it it, you never will, and the rest of us won't be surprised.

Does it look like I have a reading problem? No?
Thank you.
 
so now what about all the money spent on renewal and stuff like that also will i be reimburesed and is my current licence now valid again also how long will it take the dept. to issue our new licences as they now have our money and we have jack sht
 
'Shoot to kill' talk could bite back

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-07-01-shoot-to-kill-talk-could-bite-back

Comments please.
I said that violence will attract more violence.

"In the past year phrases such as 'shoot the bastards', 'shoot to kill', 'no mercy for criminals', 'war on crime', 'war on drugs' and 'zero tolerance' have increasingly peppered public statements by political and police leadership," said Johan Burger of the Institute for Security Studies (ISS).

He was speaking at an ISS seminar in Cape Town last Wednesday convened in the light of what he called the "official rhetoric of violence and ill-tolerance that has seemed to gain momentum in public space".

Jeez, I wonder what they mean?:confused:
 
Gee I wonder why it's gaining momentum :rolleyes:
 
Well, if you want to be that childish, then...
No, but I think you be dyslexic, or worse.

Does it look like I have a reading problem? No?
Well, you did mention that you are in law enforcement, and we all know the employment criteria.

Jakie Selebi a typical example.
 
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