Breaking news - firearm act

Ok..so I couldn't be bothered to explain where I got the following info, or how many ppl I spoke to, but here are the opinions/facts as I know them.
Note that these come from high up, but are only educated opinions right now based on what is expected to happen. You can ignore them, or not..your choice.

1) You are NOT going to be able to relicense your guns. If you didn't by the end of march, you are SOL and have to lose it.

2) You now have extra time to get rid of/sell your guns. That would have stopped by Wed, but now you have time to do it. The court decision was based on the fact that there are too many ppl who still have their guns, to have them cancelled in time. It is expected the court will give a few months, but not to relicense, just to dispose of guns.

3) It is the transitional arrangements that are going to change (the period after relicensing expired) as those can be changed easily. The reason the relicencing period won't change is that it is part of the ACT and therefore an act of parliament would be required to amend that. If they did that, they may as well (and would) add other nasty things in the act about firearms while they do it.

4) Polie stations WILL still accept your renewal application. However don't be fooled. They will tell you they have to open a docket, and I have been told that they WILL charge you, and WILL find you guily of not renewing in time, and the result WILL BE you are unfit to posess a firearm. Therefore that route gets you never able to own a gun again. Don't even try it unless you can prove you were out of the country or sick.

5) If you gave your gun in to the cops or a gunshop...it STAYS there. They will not give it back. That is in the policy document that you can find on the SAGA website.

So basically...all you have is a longer period to get rid of your guns. Nothing more.
There is a chance that the court will decide differently, but that that could have even more serious repercussions.

The other things that the court will change is the fact that you have to give in a gun that you are refused a licence for. You will now be able to sell it within 60 days. A few other small issues.

G26
 
Thanks for the update, Glock, it seems the only choice is to sell the damned things.
 
There is still an aspect of this whole thing that is worrying for me in that people who were deemed competent previously (under the old Act) are not being told they're not anymore...

Ag, its all up in the air really.. and even these educated guesses could turn out to be horribly wrong.
 
bwana said:
Who mentioned burglary? And why would you assume they have no other intent? I dont think I'd be willing to make that assumption with my life and the lives of my wife and children in the balance.
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Life isn't fair or a bed of roses. If somebody broke into my house I'll put a bullet in him. He's responsible for his own actions and must face the consequences of it
 
Yes, life is not fair or a bed of roses. If you look at me skeef, I'll put a slug in you - you are responsible for your own actions. See?

I wonder if any sane country in the world applies the death penalty for house burglary. By the same token, should we not hang people who speed on our roads, thereby endangering the lives, or God forbid, the PROPERTY of others?
I reckon you should be put to death if you even just come close to putting a scratch on my brand new Tata, or Golf, or whatever it is I drive, and am ready and willing to kill for.

The 'right' to carry a gun does not, and should not, give anyone the automatic right to indiscriminately kill those who trespass against them, gentlemen. Gun ownership is a serious responsibility and more than one poster in this thread has proven his psychological incompetence to carry a firearm, by virtue of being incapable of telling a big problem from a little one.

And hey, look - see how violent our country is. See how we have this staggering murder rate. Look at our person-on-person violence rate - the highest in the world. Violence creates more violence. Aggression too.
Hate fuels more hate. Guns will simply attract more guns, and more freaks who are ready to pull the trigger at the slightest provocation. Just like our armed robbers.
I'm not saying that a burglar in your house is not provocation, but I think a judge and a jury should decide if someone lives or dies - not you, dude, 'coz you sound a little crazy to me. :)
 
Oh please. If you can't tell the difference between somebody looking at you "skeef" and somebody invading your private property then you're beyond help.
 
And if you cannot tell the difference between someone breaking into a house and committing a murder, you should be in an asylum.

And you definitely should not have a gun.
 
plazma said:
And if you cannot tell the difference between someone breaking into a house and committing a murder, you should be in an asylum.

And you definitely should not have a gun.
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Typical logic. Yes the vast majority of innocent law abiding citizens belong in an asylum while you enjoy the support of every criminal from burglar to child rapists and murderers. Nice bedfellows
 
plazma said:
Yes, life is not fair or a bed of roses. If you look at me skeef, I'll put a slug in you - you are responsible for your own actions. See?

I wonder if any sane country in the world applies the death penalty for house burglary. By the same token, should we not hang people who speed on our roads, thereby endangering the lives, or God forbid, the PROPERTY of others?
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Yes - google Castle Doctrine.

This isnt misplaced bravado. Come into my house - threaten my life of the lives of my kids and the only 'skeef' looking you'll be doing is through lifeless eyes. It's really not that complicated. The invader is responsible for their own actions.
 
plazma seems to believe that a home owner has some magical ability to instinctively know if a burglar is a threat to his life or not:confused:
 
bwana said:
Yes - google Castle Doctrine.

This isnt misplaced bravado. Come into my house - threaten my life of the lives of my kids and the only 'skeef' looking you'll be doing is through lifeless eyes. It's really not that complicated. The invader is responsible for their own actions.
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He's not on your house to hand out Jehovah Witness pamphlets. And he's most likely on amphetamine or tik or something.
 
How is a burglar, sneaking through your house in the dark with your DVD player in his hands, endangering your kids? If you are armed, and he is not, would you still blow him away? How the hell would you explain that to the cops?

Castle doctrine is subject to many provisos, and rightfully so, and that is exactly what I am pointing out.

I am also saying that guns are largely to blame for much of the incredible violence that we as a nation have to deal with every day - guns seem to me more like the problem than the solution, as they have not actually solved anything.

I have been carrying a gun for 30 years. I am not some bleeding heart ***** who blindly spouts an anti-gun message. But I AM preaching moderation, and very, very strict laws - to weed out the freaks - like some people in this thread. You know who you are. ;)
 
plazma said:
How is a burglar, sneaking through your house in the dark with your DVD player in his hands, endangering your kids? If you are armed, and he is not, would you still blow him away? How the hell would you explain that to the cops?
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and how you'd know that he's just stealing a DVD player and is unarmed?
 
plazma said:
How is a burglar, sneaking through your house in the dark with your DVD player in his hands, endangering your kids? If you are armed, and he is not, would you still blow him away? How the hell would you explain that to the cops?
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In this day and age I believe someone in my house to be a danger to me and my family. I am not going to enter into a discussion with him to determine exactly how much danger - that would be completely and utterly stupid. I will blow a hole in his head.

I don't need to explain anything to the cops. I will give them a statement about how I felt my life to be in danger and the courts can deal with it.
 
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Anyone found inside my home is a threat to our safety and that threat will be neutralised by a hole in his head.
No time for making assessments in the dark as to what weaponry him and his buddies may be carrying - a little doff to think that these scumbags gain entry into houses totally unarmed knowing full well that the place is occupied.

Time for this scourge to be dealt with the right way, and not the ANC way.
 
plazma said:
How is a burglar, sneaking through your house in the dark with your DVD player in his hands, endangering your kids? If you are armed, and he is not, would you still blow him away? How the hell would you explain that to the cops?

Castle doctrine is subject to many provisos, and rightfully so, and that is exactly what I am pointing out.

I am also saying that guns are largely to blame for much of the incredible violence that we as a nation have to deal with every day - guns seem to me more like the problem than the solution, as they have not actually solved anything.

I have been carrying a gun for 30 years. I am not some bleeding heart ***** who blindly spouts an anti-gun message. But I AM preaching moderation, and very, very strict laws - to weed out the freaks - like some people in this thread. You know who you are. ;)
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Most burglars are armed with various things, including tools to get into the house. Even a sharp screwdriver is lethal.

They don't want to get caught and will go to extraordinary lengths not to get recognised and/or captured. They don't want to go (back) to prison for obvious reasons.

Many break in, knowing someone is at home. That's a more serious offence (aggravated) and I wouldn't hesitate to take one out. You never know where the other burglar is (often do it in pairs) is or what they have done in another room to your family/dog/maid.
 
If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, that alone already tells me his not just there to steal your stuff and defiantly not alone.. I will not take that change when it comes to my families life in thinking is he armed or isn't he.

Everyday you read about murderers and rapists, no I'm sorry you find someone in your house in the middle of the night you take him out.

The guy breaking into my house probably won't hesitate to kill me so why should I?
 
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