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Why spend half the article showing that wireless is not yet regulated (HuH?) and then add this idiotic paragraph:
It would have made a lot more sense to hear about what the progress/timeframe for the supposed "national policy for broadband".
You've just lumped the fixed and wireless offerings together after spending a lot of time making a distinction between them.
It would have made a lot more sense to hear about what the progress/timeframe for the supposed "national policy for broadband".
RichardP
Banned
Broadband has nothing to do with speed, its a signaling technique. All spread spectrum transmission systems are all broadband.
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noswal
Executive Member
Then what about calling it "Broadband in relation to internet usage and connectivity" as average Joe consumer understands it.
me being an average Joe
me being an average Joe
mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Take some tips from those who have been at it for alot longer...
http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-broadband-policy/article-117450
Current generation broadband is defined as 2mbps and higher
http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-broadband-policy/article-117450
Current generation broadband is defined as 2mbps and higher
RichardP
Banned
Balstrome
Banned
for what it's worth from a 33,6 dialup home user. Broadban to me means 24/7 always on connection at at least 1Mps data thruput. (and that not even talking about the price)
Last time I checked, Telkom isn't offering an SLA. My line certainly isn't broadband when they decide to reset it. Telkom lines are also affected by attenuation and the quality of service declines for a number of reasons. Unless they can provide a SLA, they shouldn't be able to advertise as broadband either.
ads
Senior Member
ASA needs advice
The really sad part about this ASA ruling is the almost complete lack of understanding of what broadband really is. Amongst users, we more or less know what we are talking about when we are debating speeds.
The ASA clearly completely missed the basics - broadband provides access with high peak rates, and achieves efficiency by sharing available bandwidth between multiple users. Unless the service provider gets his sums wrong (which some do), this gives all users a good experience. Consumer broadband (as it is understood all over the world) never provides a committed speed at its peak rate. Then it becomes a leased line.
Maybe we need to educate the ASA, because ICASA doesn't seem to have done a good job: Broadband provides a high peak rate (e.g. 1 Mbps) and no committed speed (i.e. 0 bps). There are loads of other parameters to look at, but committed speed is meaningless.
The really sad part about this ASA ruling is the almost complete lack of understanding of what broadband really is. Amongst users, we more or less know what we are talking about when we are debating speeds.
The ASA clearly completely missed the basics - broadband provides access with high peak rates, and achieves efficiency by sharing available bandwidth between multiple users. Unless the service provider gets his sums wrong (which some do), this gives all users a good experience. Consumer broadband (as it is understood all over the world) never provides a committed speed at its peak rate. Then it becomes a leased line.
Maybe we need to educate the ASA, because ICASA doesn't seem to have done a good job: Broadband provides a high peak rate (e.g. 1 Mbps) and no committed speed (i.e. 0 bps). There are loads of other parameters to look at, but committed speed is meaningless.
RichardP
Banned
Many users Dont care what the definition is .. I can get 120Megabit transmission systems that are not broadband (they are baseband) Its in the same "transmission" catagory as dialup... so baseband and broadband are terms that dont mean anything to the end user
The end user doesnt care - they want "Bandwidth", even if its a 8megabit IOCP connection. ("Internet over carrier pigeon")
Users want Speed,low latency, and no capping...... 'broadband' doesnt feature anywhere in there.
Dont confuse a signalling method with speed, Even the BPL is broadband-over-powerlines by definition. Wifi is broadband - and so are many others.
ICASA and the ASA have no place to define the term 'Broadband', as the term is totally irrelevant in defining bandwidth.
[UPDATE]
I cant find any technology papers on iBurst that say its Broadband - the UTD is a baseband modem.
The end user doesnt care - they want "Bandwidth", even if its a 8megabit IOCP connection. ("Internet over carrier pigeon")
Users want Speed,low latency, and no capping...... 'broadband' doesnt feature anywhere in there.
Dont confuse a signalling method with speed, Even the BPL is broadband-over-powerlines by definition. Wifi is broadband - and so are many others.
ICASA and the ASA have no place to define the term 'Broadband', as the term is totally irrelevant in defining bandwidth.
[UPDATE]
I cant find any technology papers on iBurst that say its Broadband - the UTD is a baseband modem.
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Yes, yes
Yes, yes uncle Richard, but we are not defining broadband in relation to baseband now are we? Or should we change the name of this board?
ISDN is broadband... Baseband can be relatively faster than broadband too... but that's not the point. The definition of broadband in it's purest sense does not fit the common market definition... which is what we is being referred to in this thread. I assume it stems back to the single service (analogue) over your copper wire vs new digital multi frequency services... despite the fact that analogue lines could also carry more than one frequency in the past anyhow... like the old telkom 1+1 where you and your neighbour shared the same copper wire...
THis is what we are on about - see the use of the word broadband:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6163817.stm
Yes, yes uncle Richard, but we are not defining broadband in relation to baseband now are we? Or should we change the name of this board?
ISDN is broadband... Baseband can be relatively faster than broadband too... but that's not the point. The definition of broadband in it's purest sense does not fit the common market definition... which is what we is being referred to in this thread. I assume it stems back to the single service (analogue) over your copper wire vs new digital multi frequency services... despite the fact that analogue lines could also carry more than one frequency in the past anyhow... like the old telkom 1+1 where you and your neighbour shared the same copper wire...
THis is what we are on about - see the use of the word broadband:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6163817.stm
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RichardP
Banned
The article does not state minumum speeds, and its doing exactly what is said .. BROADBAND, as in a band of frequencies which is broad.. hence 'Broadband'
'cos marketing and arrogant users want Telkom to get faster speeds, they are trying to change the definition of "Broadband" the ASA are all morons that dont understand the definition either.
The Common marketplace definition is screwed up.its called 'media brainwashing' in some countries and it works very well.... most consumers are falling for the bullsh.t that is being fed to them. Telkom is correct, ADSL is broadband. Just 'cos the speeds are slow has nothing to do with the definition of broadband. Look at the other markets, they specify 2/4/8 Megabit broadband - Notice the speeds are specified... when you subscribed to ADSL, you were FULLY aware of the speeds, and now you want more speeds at less cost, you try to change definitions to suit yourselves.
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
So the call is to define broadband as the masses know it.
RichardP
Banned
So... err.... the definition needs to be changed 'cos anti-Telkom customers want faster internet ? Changing the defintion does not change the mentality. The industry needs to bring their products up to international specifications.
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mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Lol
No - actually it is quite common in English to have more than one meaning for a word defined by the way language has evolved...
And it's not related to Telkom - it's international.
No - actually it is quite common in English to have more than one meaning for a word defined by the way language has evolved...
And it's not related to Telkom - it's international.
RichardP
Banned
mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Be a little more specific...
Which bit don't you believe... that it is international? Or that there is often more than one definition for a word?
LOLcarry on telling yourself that, eventually you will believe anything.
Which bit don't you believe... that it is international? Or that there is often more than one definition for a word?
I think people in this thread are missing the point and miscited the Wikipedia (which should not really be used as an authority but rather a point of access):
1) Broadband has a technical meaning which has nothing\little to do with speed. Broadband also has an acquired meaning that is related to speed, latency and all things "cool" on an internet connection.
2) ASA is concerned with advertising related to "broadband internet access" and ensuring that companies advertising to end consumers don't mislead them.
3) The term Broadband in respect of advertising is systematically acquiring higher and higher industry standards with regard to how cool the internet access is, a failure to comply with the trade usage of broadband is false advertising.
For the Wiki citer:
This article is about the general technical term. For end user Internet access methods see Broadband Internet access.
and looking that up:
Broadband Internet access, often shortened to "broadband Internet" or just "broadband", is a high data-transmission rate internet connection. DSL and cable modem, both popular consumer broadband technologies, are typically capable of transmitting faster than dial-up modem (56 kilobits per second).
1) Broadband has a technical meaning which has nothing\little to do with speed. Broadband also has an acquired meaning that is related to speed, latency and all things "cool" on an internet connection.
2) ASA is concerned with advertising related to "broadband internet access" and ensuring that companies advertising to end consumers don't mislead them.
3) The term Broadband in respect of advertising is systematically acquiring higher and higher industry standards with regard to how cool the internet access is, a failure to comply with the trade usage of broadband is false advertising.
For the Wiki citer:
This article is about the general technical term. For end user Internet access methods see Broadband Internet access.
and looking that up:
Broadband Internet access, often shortened to "broadband Internet" or just "broadband", is a high data-transmission rate internet connection. DSL and cable modem, both popular consumer broadband technologies, are typically capable of transmitting faster than dial-up modem (56 kilobits per second).
Telkomhater
Senior Member
How about a MYADSL Definition? Forget about what ICASA says or Telkom says. With all these tech savvy people on this forum, can you guys not have a thread where you discuss "our" definition of what broadband is and then once agreed, it can be a sticky.
That way when we all talk about broadband we have a common understanding of what it is. It might not be what the international one is, or it might be. As technology improves worldwide it would have to be updated.
Come on guys, complete the statement, "According to MyADSL, broadband is defined as...................................."
That way when we all talk about broadband we have a common understanding of what it is. It might not be what the international one is, or it might be. As technology improves worldwide it would have to be updated.
Come on guys, complete the statement, "According to MyADSL, broadband is defined as...................................."