Broadband Definition

ic said:
If it weren't for the language & culture barrier I would lurv to move to Japan, I just don't think I can handle being regarded as an outsider for 30 years ;), other than that I think Japan & the Japanese are great :).
They also have a strong competitive labour market. Therefore, jobs can be on the hard side too secure.

But we digress, back to the topic :p
 
ITC definition counts

Hi uz all,
okay never really had any reason to post stuff here, but I think that this time I probably have something to contribute.

In beginning of Feb 2005 I emailed ASA a complaint concerning the Sentech ad. They only replied that there was a ruling outstanding on this complaint and should I not be happy with their ruling I could complain again.
Enough said that I consider the ruling slack not to mention other colourful descriptions I ended up emailing them the following. Now not everything is relevant to the broadband definition but I provide you with enough ammo to convince ICASA in adapting the definition to them.

Minor warning.... it's a tad long, whoever factual and hopefully non-repetitive. ;)


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Re: Sentech MyWireless / Mr Edwards / 1629, 1654-1657

I’m taking this opportunity to comment on the recent ruling made by the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa (ASA) on Sentech MyWireless vs Mr Edwards.

I hope that in me pointing out the flaws in Sentech, Internet Service Provider’s Association (ISPA) and World Wide Worx (WWW) argumentation and/or opinions that the ASA will re-address the ruling taking into account the new factual information.

As the ASA is well aware of South Africa has been a member of the International Telecommunication Union since 1 January 1910 (http://www.itu.int/cgi-bin/htsh/mm/scripts/mm.list?_search=ITUstates&_languageid=1).
This means that any standardisations and/or definitions issued by the ITU would have bearing on South Africa’s telecommunications sector. This is substantiated by a paper released by the University of the Witwatersrand (http://link.wits.ac.za/papers/convergence-broadband.pdf), out of interest sake it also mentions broadband as 2Mbits per second, but that is irrelevant for now. It does however indicate that Sentech, Telkom and any company dealing in services governed by the Telecommunications Act (No. 103 of 1996), the Independent Broadcasting Authority Act (No. 153 of 1993), and the Broadcasting Act (No. 4 of 1999) are automatically forced to adhere to these standards defined to their respective services by the ITU.

The term “broadband” has been used and misused in many forms as Answers.com(http://www.answers.com/broadband&r=67) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Internet_access) clearly indicate.
This also has been pointed out within the report by Sentech, ISPA and WWW. All three however have contradicted themselves as well when they first falsely claim that “globally there is no uniform or standardised definition of broadband” and then go on to claim that “128 can be referred to as broadband” and “significantly faster means at least 4-5 times the speed of traditional low-speed services”.

Firstly if they claim that there is no definition for broadband, how can they then claim that 128 is broadband.
Secondly “significantly faster means…” is speculation and personal opinion not based on definitions, standards or facts and therefore have no relevance to this report.
And thirdly the ISPA fails to explain what is considered “traditional low-speed” as this can only be seen again as speculation and personal opinion it has no bearing on this report.
I will reframe from pointing out more mistakes as they are all based on hearsay, opinions and not facts.

As all of the above companies should be aware, the ITU has defined broadband in there recommendation “Vocabulary of terms for broadband aspects of ISDN “ I.113 (06/97) (http://www.itu.int/rec/recommendation.asp?type=items&lang=e&parent=T-REC-I.113-199706-I) which was approved in 1997-06 and has a status “In force”.
The ITU Standardization Sector (ITU-T) recommendation I.113 has defined broadband as a transmission capacity that is faster than primary rate ISDN, at 1.5 to 2 Mbit/s.

No where does in define broadband as an “always on” service or indicate that broadband is an information format as the WWW would have you believe. The WWW’s explanation that in “Internet speak” broadband is 128Kbits per second is hearsay and has no bearing on this case. And having had the UK parliament hear broadband described as being as low as 128Kbps does not make it true either.

It is my opinion that the research done and information provided by ISPA and WWW is inaccurate, false, of poor quality and bears no relevance to the case Sentech vs Mr Edwards. The ASA would be well advised in having ISPA and WWW reimburse the ASA for their time within this ruling.

Please be advised that I also pointed out the definition by the ITU in my complaint dated 02/02/2005 “Re: Sentech TV ads promoting MyWireless “ with regards to Sentech’s misrepresentation of their offered services as broadband. Please also note that Sentech uses the term broadband multiple times on their website (http://www.sentech.co.za) to define or explain their offered services.
I still consider this as a gross misconduct on Sentech’s behalf to knowingly misrepresent their products and mislead the public.

In my opinion Sentech should be made an example of with regards to falsifying their product by misusing the term broadband. Removing the ad and having them rename their products are not enough as Sentech has already benefited from selling the products to the public on these false claims of being a broadband provider since the first quarter 2004.

Should you need any more information or wish to discuss any of the above mentioned please feel free to contact me directly.

Friendly regards,...

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I skipped the part of pointing out that the UK parliament were also told Iraq had weapons of mass destruction which also has been false so their credibility is a tad shot, but that would have been pushing it a bit me thinks :rolleyes:

Yip long and windy road... Use what you can adopt the rest, let’s get some clarity and demand reimbursements from Sendreck and Spermcount (Telkom) while we’re at it.

Cheers troll-op
 
Just some feedback.
ASA phoned me on Friday. The conversation in a nutshell:

They be sorry that they only are getting back to me now. They have passed on my argumentation to the government and ICASA to verify the validity of my claim. Depending on the outcome of the “consultations” they might amend their ruling

This basically gives us the premises, if the ruling is in our favour on the term broadband. To do the same with Spermcount... er Telkom and any other ISP who in the past or present is misleading the public with abusing the term to sell inferior services. :D

No clue how long this will take, but as soon as I have the transcript or ruling I’ll let you all know.

My request would be if any one has a contact in ICASA please harass the person and start beating the drum. ;) The grounds for my argument are solid, factual and valid. Only if the authorities decide to ignore the agreements made in the past to uphold standardisation definitions will we lose this one. :mad:

That’s it... Got some work to do, WLAN topography planning etc., I’ll only be dropping in over weekends

cheers troll-op
 
troll-op, thanks this is good news, as for harassing specific people @ ICASA - I think I'd rather physically go beat a drum outside the DoC offices - all part of my campaign to become the next DoC witchdoctor :D.
 
Um .. okay I know you guys're gonna kill me for saying this, but telkom should have some sort of cap in place. True the 3GB cap is a loada bull, but they should have around a 30GB cap or something - I mean, that's fair. People don't needa download a whole lot of movies, or albums. Yeah I know.. I'm giving a "fight against piracy" talk, but you have to admit, I've got a good point :Þ
 
I agree Dovi, with 30GB you get 1/4 of what you can download in a full month. That way they can stop the abusers but not totally kill the users. Nice rime if I may say so myself :P

Ever hear of wikipedia? The encyclopedia that anyone can work on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adsl

Look at the adsl standards, the lowest is like 1.5mbps down and 0.5mbps up. I think we should edit the wiki so its more in our favor :P

Nah that’s just e-ville...
then again, it sounds like something Telkom will do.
 
Dovi said:
Um .. okay I know you guys're gonna kill me for saying this, but telkom should have some sort of cap in place. True the 3GB cap is a loada bull, but they should have around a 30GB cap or something - I mean, that's fair. People don't needa download a whole lot of movies, or albums. Yeah I know.. I'm giving a "fight against piracy" talk, but you have to admit, I've got a good point :Þ

The majority of us are not fighting about the fact that there is a cap, we're fighting because the cap is so low. A 3GB cap is totally unreasonable and quite frankly its laughable. We would all prefer if there was no cap, but I think most of us understand the need for some sort of cap. I agree with you - I've always said a 30GB cap would be perfect. The majority of people would never hit the cap. A few would hit it but then they could always buy another account.
 
What were the results of that polling thread about bandwidth capping & RPM had another cap size poll on the main site as well...

Anyone remember which forum that polling thread was in?
 
Um, I think that some of us might have misunderstood what broadband is about. Broadband has nothing to do with capping, shaping or 247 connections. Broadband is a term used for connection speeds. (http://www.itu.int/rec/recommendation.asp?type=items&lang=e&parent=T-REC-I.113-199706-I)
Please don’t refer to the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) definition of broadband, the FCC’s opinions and laws carry no weight any where in the world except the USA and it’s colonies... er.. sorry “satellite states”. :D

On how this service actually is provided, although this has nothing to do with this tread...
I personally think that the local Internet connection should be uncapped unshaped period. The international connection should be capped, however this cap should only be made up of actual download generated traffic and not upload as well, a cap of 12GB sounds reasonable for a home connection. Businesses tend to generate more traffic so the cap should differ as the price does as well, but here the BOFH should be able to do some QOS. Oh and obviously unshaped, after all dial-up analogue and ISDN connections are unshaped I see no reason why this should not apply to ADSL as well.

With regards to Wikipedia, look at post #22 of this tread. The definitions found in wikipedia however are merely guidelines. It provides all known definitions, terms used with or in conjunction of broadband. What we are after, at least the way I understood it, is a useable definition to get ICASA and the government to actually force current service providers to adhere to these standardisations and provide what they acclaim they are already doing.
 
I think the latest chatter about the cap is a result of earlier posts on this thread about the cap ;).

Let's see what ASASA decide to do with the info you sent them...perhaps you should ask them in say 2 weeks for a progress report - just to keep them reminded of their obligation to you to investigate & follow-up.
 
service levels

Hi guys
just giving my 2 cents' worth.
What is called the minimum bit rate is called in the industry CIR(committed information rate) for ATM networks and MIR(Minimum information rate) for Frame Relay networks, if memory serves me right. Then ther is also PIR(Peak information rate).
Now, what has this got to do with ADSL?
...due to the fact that ADSL is running on Telkom's ATM network, it means that although they do not provide service guarantees.. THEY CAN. It's all in a simple planning / configuration change.
In fact, if you want to have a point-to-point link, you can get anything up to 8 Megs on ADSL, depending on your distance from an exchange. And you don't even have to go through a router to do it.
The local network has PLENTY bandwidth, believe me. It's just not used properly.
The big problem is with the SAT3 / SAFE fiber optic cables being mismanaged. Some consortium should take over the management of the fiber.
 
noticed that the definition of "broadband" has been dropped from the current version of the Convergence Bill

in the first draft it was defined as
"a high capacity link between end user and access network suppliers, capable of supporting full motion, interactive video applications, based on the technology existing at the time"

will try to find out why the definition was dropped as opposed to amended/retained
 
i think this 3 gig sucks.when will we ever be uncapped :mad: will this ever happen.i think its unfair that upload is included in this cap
 
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