Budget TV for PS5

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

Samsung Q70T.

If you're buying a TV for a next gen console, don't skimp on some of the most important features. You should look at something that supports HDMI 2.1 so you can play at 120Hz...

120hz on a console that will, at best, target 60FPS @ 4K.

Theoretically, if Sony were to enable it, HDMI 2.0 will comfortably handle 120hz at the native resolution these games are likely to be running at (1080p-ish)

The Q70 also accomplishes 120hz via black frame insertion so not a true 120hz image and will result in a darker image...a problem for a panel not known for its brightness and subsequent ability to produce proper HDR images (if that is something that matters to you). It does however support VRR which I'd argue is its best trait for gaming.

 

[AlphaJohn]

120hz on a console that will, at best, target 60FPS @ 4K.

Theoretically, if Sony were to enable it, HDMI 2.0 will comfortably handle 120hz at the native resolution these games are likely to be running at (1080p-ish)

You need 2.1 uncompressed for 4k 120....

Its part of the spec, not some company's "I wanna allow" list.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

120hz on a console that will, at best, target 60FPS @ 4K.

Theoretically, if Sony were to enable it, HDMI 2.0 will comfortably handle 120hz at the native resolution these games are likely to be running at (1080p-ish)

My LG does 120, but only @ 1080p. So I basically have to choose between 60 @ 4k or 120 @ 1080p.

The thing is when games start becoming more optimised a few years from now, while the consoles may not be able to pull off native 4k at that frame rate, they could certainly do something like 1440p+ at 80/90 FPS.

People like me still stuck on HDMI 2.0 won't be able to experience that. But as long as you have HDMI 2.1, you won't have to live with any compromises because you have enough bandwidth to support even 8k @ 120 FPS...

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

You need 2.1 uncompressed for 4k 120....

Its part of the spec, not some company's "I wanna allow" list.

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As I stated above there will be no games running on either the PS5/XBSX @ 4K at framerates approaching 120fps. 4K will, for this gen, target 60FPS. Games targeting 120FPS will run at resolutions at closer to 1080p/1440p which is covered as per your table in the 2.0 spec.

Re the "I wanna allow" list: As an example the PS5 will not currently allow you to set your resolution to 1440p (but will be enabled later according to Sony) . When I say enabled by PS I'm talking about what the console allows to be output at a software level, not what the hardware is capable of.

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

My LG does 120, but only @ 1080p. So I basically have to choose between 60 @ 4k or 120 @ 1080p.

The thing is when games start becoming more optimised a few years from now, while the consoles may not be able to pull off native 4k at that frame rate, they could certainly do something like 1440p+ at 80/90 FPS.

People like me still stuck on HDMI 2.0 won't be able to experience that. But as long as you have HDMI 2.1, you won't have to live with any compromises because you have enough bandwidth to support even 8k @ 120 FPS...

Again, 1440p @120hz is covered by 2.0.

Given that the last console generation lasted 7 years if the OP was to buy now, by the time 4K@120hz/8k@60hz became the norm (ie the next generation) it would just about be time for a new TV anyhow.

 

[AlphaJohn]

As I stated above there will be no games running on either the PS5/XBSX @ 4k at framerates approaching 120fps. 4K will, for this gen, target 60FPS. Games targeting 120FPS will run at resolutions at closer to 1080p/1440p which is covered as per your table in the 2.0 spec.

Re the "I wanna allow" list: As an example the PS5 will not currently allow you to set your resolution to 1440p (but will be enabled according to Sony) . When I say enabled by PS I'm talking about what the console allows to be output at a software level, not what the hardware is capable of.

Erm there is already games out that support just that 4K @ 120. Like King Oddball, The Touryst and Ori and the Will of the Wisps for Xbox. Granted they don't have ray tracing but that is another point.

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

Erm there is already games out that support just that 4K @ 120. Like King Oddball, The Touryst and Ori and the Will of the Wisps for Xbox. Granted they don't have ray tracing but that is another point.

Ok fair enough, a handful of exceptions will manage 4K @ 120FPS. These will be limited to indies and other lower fidelity games, certainly not anything approaching mainstream OR for that matter, games where running at 120FPS/hz is a true advantage (first person shooters and racing titles generally).

Fact of the matter is if you want to buy a TV for gaming and don't have a massive budget to work with to ensure you cover all bases, then paying more for or compromising on other key features just so you can play a few outlier titles over a generation is a silly idea.

 

[Splinter]

My LG does 120, but only @ 1080p. So I basically have to choose between 60 @ 4k or 120 @ 1080p.

The thing is when games start becoming more optimised a few years from now, while the consoles may not be able to pull off native 4k at that frame rate, they could certainly do something like 1440p+ at 80/90 FPS.

People like me still stuck on HDMI 2.0 won't be able to experience that. But as long as you have HDMI 2.1, you won't have to live with any compromises because you have enough bandwidth to support even 8k @ 120 FPS...

A question - does your LG do HDR? That's what counts when it comes to console gaming, imo.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Again, 1440p @120hz is covered by 2.0.

Given that the last console generation lasted 7 years if the OP was to buy now, by the time 4K @ 120hz/8k @60FPS became the norm (ie the next generation) it would just about be time for a new TV anyhow.

That's what the spec says. How it's implemented by the consoles is completely different.

Here's what my Xbox says about my TV:

So I set the refresh rate to 120Hz and the resolution defaults to 1080p. Trying to set the resolution manually gives me these options:

Note there's no option for 1440p even though it's supported. So trying to force it to 4k again gives me this:

After which it goes back to 4k at 60. If you cancel it goes back to 1080p at 120.

The point being that even if you want >1080p at >60FPS, you can't have it even if your TV supports it. Because MS and Sony don't implement it that way. You'll need HDMI 2.1. And the question in the OP is specifically around next gen consoles. This might change with a future patch, but right now this is the way it is...

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

A question - does your LG do HDR? That's what counts when it comes to console gaming, imo.

Yeah HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

But pretty much any decent 4k TV on the market now from the main manufacturers will at the very least do HDR10...

 

[Adeptus Mechanicus]

That's what the spec says. How it's implemented by the consoles is completely different.

Here's what my Xbox says about my TV:

So I set the refresh rate to 120Hz and the resolution defaults to 1080p. Trying to set the resolution manually gives me these options:

Note there's no option for 1440p even though it's supported. So trying to force it to 4k again gives me this:

After which it goes back to 4k at 60. If you cancel it goes back to 1080p at 120.

The point being that even if you want >1080p at >60FPS, you can't have it even if your TV supports it. Because MS and Sony don't implement it that way. You'll need HDMI 2.1. And the question in the OP is specifically around next gen consoles. This might change with a future patch, but right now this is the way it is...

As I said above, Sony has already confirmed 1440p is coming to their console via a patch in the near future. Hopefully this will include 120hz as well at that resolution. So there is now clearly an appetite for these console manufacturers to pay attention to what people are playing on display wise.

I honestly cannot see them not enabling 1440p@120hz if their consoles are able to perform at that level for a significant number of games, but as I said earlier I suspect that it is more likely that the target for the vast majority will remain 4K/60fps, with any additional horsepower going into general image quality or other features such as RT.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

As I said above, Sony has already confirmed 1440p is coming to their console via a patch in the near future. Hopefully this will include 120hz as well at that resolution. So there is now clearly an appetite for these console manufacturers to pay attention to what people are playing on display wise.

I honestly cannot see them not enabling 1440p@120hz if their consoles are able to perform at that level for a significant number of games, but as I said earlier I suspect that it is more likely that the target for the vast majority will remain 4K/60fps, with any additional horsepower going into general image quality or other features such as RT.

Again it will depend on how they implement it. Xbox already supports 1440p. You just can't select it in any of the system settings, it will depend on the game and that means you need to have your system set to 4k. Which you can't do at 120Hz on HDMI 2. The only options as you can see above are 720p, 1080p and 4k.

I hope MS and Sony do eventually get it right, but like I said this is the way it is at the moment...

 

[prod]

As I said above, Sony has already confirmed 1440p is coming to their console via a patch in the near future.

Huh? They never said that - they said they might look into it if there is enough demand.