Buying a house....

Closed my bond last month. Nedbank sent a statement yesterday stating I still owe them monthly repayments. Say what now? Anyways, apparently it takes like 3 months for them to give me the title deed after everything else is confirmed closed off.

As to the math of rent vs buy I have no idea how rent will ever work out cheaper unless you have very unlucky expenses on the main property. When I moved into the house I bought in 2010 rent on an identical unit was about R5500. My bond repayment was roughly that (I had a deposit). Over the years the rent has risen to R10 000pm (roughly 7% per annum) on the same size unit and I am now paying nothing having paid up my bond through diligently overpaying when I was able. I plan to live in this place for another 30 years at least and in that entire time I will still be rent free, bond free, and the renters will be paying each month with that rate going up each year by inflation or something close to it. Granted I will have some expenses on the house in that time but the chances it will exceed the 100K per year I am saving already is next to nil.

The best part is I had a spreadsheet tracking my bond the whole time. In total I paid over R920K over the 9 years I owned the house. I just did some math on what I would have paid to rent the house and to rent it for the same period I would have paid R910K. Granted I was also then paying levy, property tax etc but even then, its fairly close. If I add in the 20% deposit I saved and the levy/tax I will make that back within 2 years of my savings and after that its all direct savings, and now I am in the position where I am saving a huge amount each month by not having that expense on my budget, and I will have that saving for the remainder of my life (hopefully 40+ years).

Like I said, the math is fairly strongly in favour of buying a property. The only time it makes sense not to buy is if you know you are moving soonish as the cost of selling is high.
 
Closed my bond last month. Nedbank sent a statement yesterday stating I still owe them monthly repayments. Say what now? Anyways, apparently it takes like 3 months for them to give me the title deed after everything else is confirmed closed off.

As to the math of rent vs buy I have no idea how rent will ever work out cheaper unless you have very unlucky expenses on the main property. When I moved into the house I bought in 2010 rent on an identical unit was about R5500. My bond repayment was roughly that (I had a deposit). Over the years the rent has risen to R10 000pm (roughly 7% per annum) on the same size unit and I am now paying nothing having paid up my bond through diligently overpaying when I was able. I plan to live in this place for another 30 years at least and in that entire time I will still be rent free, bond free, and the renters will be paying each month with that rate going up each year by inflation or something close to it. Granted I will have some expenses on the house in that time but the chances it will exceed the 100K per year I am saving already is next to nil.

The best part is I had a spreadsheet tracking my bond the whole time. In total I paid over R920K over the 9 years I owned the house. I just did some math on what I would have paid to rent the house and to rent it for the same period I would have paid R910K. Granted I was also then paying levy, property tax etc but even then, its fairly close. If I add in the 20% deposit I saved and the levy/tax I will make that back within 2 years of my savings and after that its all direct savings, and now I am in the position where I am saving a huge amount each month by not having that expense on my budget, and I will have that saving for the remainder of my life (hopefully 40+ years).

Like I said, the math is fairly strongly in favour of buying a property. The only time it makes sense not to buy is if you know you are moving soonish as the cost of selling is high.

Can I be honest here .... you paid R920k out of your own pocket to much ! Learn the tricks on bonds (and how a bank can pay your bond for you)
 
Can I be honest here .... you paid R920k out of your own pocket to much ! Learn the tricks on bonds (and how a bank can pay your bond for you)

Do these tricks involve poor mathematical skills?
 
Like I said, the math is fairly strongly in favour of buying a property. The only time it makes sense not to buy is if you know you are moving soonish as the cost of selling is high.

The only argument I’ve heard that makes theoretical sense is the: “if you can invest an an opportunity with higher returns to risk ratio” argument.

When looking at these more closely, however, they usually fail to account for at least some of:
- the returns on such investments are typically taxable
- the conditions for these high returns would also make the property investment a good investment too (I.e., it is incorrectly assumed to be flat under these conditions)
- the lower risk (e.g., overseas investment), is usually a hedge against hyperinflation, however, both a bond and owning a house are also hedges against hyperinflation
- the investment returns tend to assume that the last 40 years are going to repeat themselves, I.e., that more industry catalysts of the magnitude of the personal computer and internet are still coming
- you can’t live in your shares
 
Accelerated banking using a non-amortized/revolving loan instrument?
Basically.

The only problem is that in the real world interest on home loans is calculated daily based on the outstanding balance and is only capitalised monthly. So having a lower balance over month end will only save you a few days of interest (assuming you're not paying interest on the additional money that you put in there). I'm not so sure about overdrafts but for credit cards you are charged interest (on the same basis, i.e. daily) immediately if you simply transfer funds out of the account. The "up to 55 days interest free" only applies to purchases so they won't work for this plan.
 
Basically.

The only problem is that in the real world interest on home loans is calculated daily based on the outstanding balance and is only capitalised monthly. So having a lower balance over month end will only save you a few days of interest (assuming you're not paying interest on the additional money that you put in there). I'm not so sure about overdrafts but for credit cards you are charged interest (on the same basis, i.e. daily) immediately if you simply transfer funds out of the account. The "up to 55 days interest free" only applies to purchases so they won't work for this plan.

You are somewhat getting there, but warm, not cold, but not hot.
 
Basically.

The only problem is that in the real world interest on home loans is calculated daily based on the outstanding balance and is only capitalised monthly. So having a lower balance over month end will only save you a few days of interest (assuming you're not paying interest on the additional money that you put in there). I'm not so sure about overdrafts but for credit cards you are charged interest (on the same basis, i.e. daily) immediately if you simply transfer funds out of the account. The "up to 55 days interest free" only applies to purchases so they won't work for this plan.
unless you can find a way to "swipe" your credit card and then have that money be paid to your cheque account.
 
When did all that ^^^ go down?

Moving day is Fri, estate agents are GREAT fun to deal with after they have had their commission paid by the way. You'd think I was asking for their first born with the mission they've created to get the keys for MY bloody house.
 
When did all that ^^^ go down?

Moving day is Fri, estate agents are GREAT fun to deal with after they have had their commission paid by the way. You'd think I was asking for their first born with the mission they've created to get the keys for MY bloody house.

Yeah, it's pathetic how they drop the ball so quickly.. I ended up dealing directly with the seller, and cut the estate agent out of communications.
 
When did all that ^^^ go down?

Moving day is Fri, estate agents are GREAT fun to deal with after they have had their commission paid by the way. You'd think I was asking for their first born with the mission they've created to get the keys for MY bloody house.

you should meet the agent there to do a walk through, trust me....
 
Yeah, it's pathetic how they drop the ball so quickly.. I ended up dealing directly with the seller, and cut the estate agent out of communications.

i luckily had the lawyer on my side in the last one, so we just didnt pay out their commission until i was happy.
 
When did all that ^^^ go down?

Moving day is Fri, estate agents are GREAT fun to deal with after they have had their commission paid by the way. You'd think I was asking for their first born with the mission they've created to get the keys for MY bloody house.
Yeah second time once we had moved in he didn't do a thing. I mean not even help us sort out the electricity which held up the transfer.
The first one we had 9 years ago was great, bought us supper, sorted the ecc and a few other things.
 
Yeah second time once we had moved in he didn't do a thing. I mean not even help us sort out the electricity which held up the transfer.
The first one we had 9 years ago was great, bought us supper, sorted the ecc and a few other things.

I guess its the luck of the draw
 
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