Buying a loose diamond internationally

She offerred me a 0.7 carat J SI2 diamond. I am not pleased at this - seems way off for my price range. I was looking at a 0.7 G/H SI1/VS2 diamond.

Having just gone through this process, and a lot of research, I learned quite a bit about cuts and colours and stuff.

J is k@k yellow. You'd want to stay with G/H if possible. H is still considered pretty white apparently so depending on the H, you could get away with a bigger stone for the same price as a smaller G, without loosing any appeal. If you go for an I, then consider a diamond with a bit of fluorescence. If it's a G you don't want any fluorescence.

As for the SI1 / VS2... VS2 is overkill. SI1 is more than fine depending on where the inclusions are. I got an SI1, but there where no black inclusions, only some small white specs that you can't see without a loop... and then even you struggle. SI2 is where the inclusions get more noticeable. I would possibly consider an SI2 depending on if the inclusions aren't bad / are white specs and not black spots / don't weaken the diamond / are hard to spot.

As for the cut... consider the different cuts: cushion / princess / round etc. A round stone will generally give you a bigger looking diamond for the same carat weight. A lot will depend on what style you'd want, but consider what the shapes bring to the table, as a 1 carat cushion will be cheaper than a 1 carat round (if I remember correctly), but it will appear quite a bit smaller. Also... sometimes the price break point between a 0.69ct vs a 0.7ct will be huge in price but the difference in size could be less than 0.1mm. When you compare your diamonds side by side... look at the millimeter measurements, not just the carat weight. I know this is the case between the 0.9x ct and 1ct diamonds and I think the same might be true for other levels.

The point is... don't forget to compare the stones, not just the specs.

Best of luck... hope some of this made sense.
 
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Thanks!

I have been made an offer, all in, for a 0.72 carat / H / SI1, very good cut and GIA certified at the exact price I am willing to pay. I am meeting the jeweler that offered me the first diamond tomorrow and see if she can match it or not. I would only consider it a match if she matches like for like, e.g. verified by GIA.
 
"These are conflict diamonds, is they Jacob don't lie to me man! "

Diamonds from Sierra Leone - Kanye West & JayZ
Hate Kanye but cool song
 
So I recently got a loose diamond and a ring made in platinum in JHB for the same amount as your budget. Can't remember the diamond specs but was definitely better than Browns and Jack Friedman. IM me for the details
 
So instead of breaking up with her, Lament is proposing? :wtf:

40k for a ring?, my future wife will be glad if she gets a 12k (max) BidorBuy ring, i have much better things to do with 40k than buying a stupid rock she wears on her finger.

On a side note, we have not broken up yet, i'm still waiting for the right angle :P
 
40k for a ring?, my future wife will be glad if she gets a 12k (max) BidorBuy ring, i have much better things to do with 40k than buying a stupid rock she wears on her finger.

On a side note, we have not broken up yet, i'm still waiting for the right angle :P

normally after the kids have left to they daddys
 
Thanks!

I have been made an offer, all in, for a 0.72 carat / H / SI1, very good cut and GIA certified at the exact price I am willing to pay. I am meeting the jeweler that offered me the first diamond tomorrow and see if she can match it or not. I would only consider it a match if she matches like for like, e.g. verified by GIA.

Awesome stuff. Hope you come right, and best of luck on the engagement!
 
Something to ponder:

1) You are buying something that is going to make the depreciation on your Monza look like a non-event. Don't be too fussed about the quality of the diamonds, given, get the best deal possible, but rather spend less and invest somewhere else. Jewelery is never an investment. It is there to look pretty....and that's IT, don't get pulled in by the hype.

2)I know that for my wife the thrill of getting a once off "her" ring was an event. It also saved me a lot as what she REALLY wanted was much cheaper than what I was willing to fork out. Don't take that away from her.

Just my dos pesos
 
2)I know that for my wife the thrill of getting a once off "her" ring was an event. It also saved me a lot as what she REALLY wanted was much cheaper than what I was willing to fork out. Don't take that away from her.
Just my dos pesos

I'm not sure if I understand this part, you had her choose what she wanted and it happened to be much cheaper than what you were going to buy if you made the choice by yourself?
 
Met the private jeweller on Friday to see the 0.70 carats she had on offer - all were certified by DIA (never heard of em). It's very very hard to distinguish different qualities by the naked eye. I had no assurance that what I was seeing was what was represented to me. This to me was very scary, and the potential for hoodwinking is high. It just reinforced my need to get a GIA certified diamond (because the certificate number is engraved on the girdle of the diamond).

Jeweller tried to sell me on the advantages of DIA certification and tried to downplay the advantages of GIA certified, and that spending the money on a GIA certified diamond is not worth it. She said a GIA certificate costs R6000, which is patently incorrect - it is $95. The DIA website looks very amateur and shoddy, whereas the GIA is professional.

More I think about it, more I won't be going with the jeweller.

Someone earlier posted in the thread or messages me about Grand Diamonds, who offered me on Friday a 0.80 carat I VS2 RB, GIA certified diamond. I told the jeweller about it and she said it's not possible to get that for my budget - but clearly it is. I have the GIA certificate number, and have confirmed the description on the GIA website. Grand Diamonds also will do a 3D model of the ring before manufacture, so that is very neat.

The jeweller could only offer assurances that the ring will be as I have shown her.

All in all, I should be going for the 0.80 carat diamond which is incredible value for money. Thanks to all who posted in this thread!

I hope to remember to reveal my identity (for anyone who cares) in April.
 
Met the private jeweller on Friday to see the 0.70 carats she had on offer - all were certified by DIA (never heard of em). It's very very hard to distinguish different qualities by the naked eye. I had no assurance that what I was seeing was what was represented to me. This to me was very scary, and the potential for hoodwinking is high. It just reinforced my need to get a GIA certified diamond (because the certificate number is engraved on the girdle of the diamond).

Jeweller tried to sell me on the advantages of DIA certification and tried to downplay the advantages of GIA certified, and that spending the money on a GIA certified diamond is not worth it. She said a GIA certificate costs R6000, which is patently incorrect - it is $95. The DIA website looks very amateur and shoddy, whereas the GIA is professional.

More I think about it, more I won't be going with the jeweller.

Someone earlier posted in the thread or messages me about Grand Diamonds, who offered me on Friday a 0.80 carat I VS2 RB, GIA certified diamond. I told the jeweller about it and she said it's not possible to get that for my budget - but clearly it is. I have the GIA certificate number, and have confirmed the description on the GIA website. Grand Diamonds also will do a 3D model of the ring before manufacture, so that is very neat.

The jeweller could only offer assurances that the ring will be as I have shown her.

All in all, I should be going for the 0.80 carat diamond which is incredible value for money. Thanks to all who posted in this thread!

I hope to remember to reveal my identity (for anyone who cares) in April.

Humberto?
 
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