Bye-bye ADSL - it was good while it lasted

ISDN, back in fashion?

Lets say your connection budget is my controversial R500 theory. If you go back to ISDN or dial up, you are going to save money.

The cost of installation, then new equipment. Then add infinity call and so forth. If you surf 12 hours/day and weekends all call more time:

20 calls * R8 =R160
4 calls * R8 =R32

ISDN calls = R192 ISDN rental = R140
ISDN ISP = R100

R432 for 10GB +/- for ISDN

DSL192 (270) + rental (95) + 10gb (600) = R965

Thus ISDN is half the price for the same amount of data, the only thing its that it is nights only and much slower.

So telkom wins.... DSL is a premuim service and is more expense than isdn, isdn is a feasible alternative and is not redundant. If you want to download huge for cheap, get isdn!
 
Maybe they're hoping to see people get dial up accounts with their dsl accounts for downloading....?????
 
@ Mr Bunny

The big problem with DSL lines being separate from ISPs is as follows.

Telkom seem to seperate the ideas of use and utilisation, which is wrong. To you and I its the same thing. Use here is the technical term that denotes a state where something is consumed, and cannot be resold. Utilisation is idea of the service that is made available.

Now as Mr Bunny says they should not charge for the availibility of DSL lines, only for the utilisation of the line, which admittedly costs money in the form of international bandwidth.

The problem is that at the moment the same company ultimately makes money from both of these aspects. So if telkom were to drop the rental or availability section of the costs and we only pay for data or utilisation, the problem comes in that Telkom itself will recieve no real benefit from the lines. Only the ISPs will.

So telkom charge the availablity instead of the "call" charges, because after all you do have a "leased line".

The ISPs charge for the provision of network services after you have "reached" there servers.

So the point I'm trying to make is that the rental has replaced the call charges.

The problem is not so much the rental, its the cost of the data. For example ABSA offer a R39 56k account. If you are nuts you can easily take them for 10gb a month for only R40. That same 10gb costs R600 on DSL.

I do understand that telkom controls both, but they could throw in data for the R477.

I may be wrong but seems that relatively speaking, SAIX is the rip off not telkom.

Please don't hurt me pupa!
 
i agree that is seemed like telkom initially subsidised the bandwidth prices with line charges (because only they could do the lines). Remeber that while a dsl line hooks up to some fancy equipment at hte exchange, the line itsslf is no different from a normal phone line. When you say only the ISP will make money dont foget that Telkom own a few ISPs...the reson they dont want to go that route is cause then they have competition. (Nasty buggers)

The real problem however arent the dsl lines at all but rather diginet and int fibre lines, as this is what the isp's use to build their networks. If those prices came down, then we would see a drop in dsl bandwidth pricing...

i feel like i've kinda gone off at a tangent...sorry bout that :)
 
Telkom!

DSL is cheap, its like 10 x 56kb leased lines, 24 hrs /day 7days/week connectivity for R477. That is a bargain, compared to what we have had here in the past.

Its like having a leased voice line with your most boring friend. Now you have to pay him to talk to you and answer you questions.
 
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daysleeper said:
DSL is cheap, its like 10 x 56kb leased lines, 24 hrs /day 7days/week connectivity for R477. That is a bargain, compared to what we have had here in the past.

Its like having a leased voice line with your most boring friend. Now you have to pay him to talk to you and answer you questions.

Can't the ISPs just DSL themselves to each other?
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omfg what a tit.
 
@ Daysleeper Saix=Telkom=network data admisnistrator. LoL Wake up from Your wet dream please!
 
It's such a disgrace that in SA, we're still speaking about dial-up while some countries are aiming for minimum 1mbps ADSL speeds at reasonable prices.

Every time I dial-up from home, I swear I can hear Telkom chuckling half to death at the amount of money they're receiving from me. Well... it might be the sound of my modem going haywire on me but anyways.
 
The bottom line!

@ Pupa, The bottom line i'm try to make is that the DSL rental cost is actually lower than the 56kb/s leased circuit used to be. (SA made progress)

So the cost that remains high is the data.

And I know that the cost of the data is dependant on the cost of the lines, thus the argument comes full circle.

The remain question is how is telkom going to structure the lower costs that the government is demanding.

Are they going to squeeze the dsl rental or the bandwidth provision side? You would think bandwidth provision but look at 1 nov????

I'm just trying to say that the whole this is super fcuked up, and i don't even think they (telkom) know, how to drop prices.

How do you bring about your own profitt downfall?
 
Clipse said:
erm.. why dont u get a 3gig IS accounts.. cheaper than the old 3gig accounts.

You tell me, you have only had adsl for the last 3months with the 30gig accounts?

You all knew the accounts would end November?
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I hoped that telkom ended in November not the accounts ! :mad:
 
S h i t happens! We can do absolutely fckol about it. I am so depressed right now because of this whole thing. But one relief point is...I'm not the only one. Thanks guys for making me feel better. ;)
 
Can you believe it.........some guy that was on DSL is going back to dialup, it is a real shame.....the whole country is moving forward, but we are forced to go back to dialup when it comes to the internet, shocking, send Papi a email and tell him why you leaving..........but then again Telscum might make more money out of you from dialup.
 
daysleeper said:
So the cost that remains high is the data.
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No, 400 odd ronts :eek: for the connectivity (before you get any data) is extortionate.
 
Dude!

you know, who the **** cares. honestly. lets all get second jobs. one for the wife and one for the dsl.
 
Hello

First post :)

Just want to add that as a non ADSL user its disapointing that i will probably not be able to afford it till 2007. I currently use isdn which ive capped on R500 a month including voice calls. The cheapest ADSL, with my voice calls, currently available is +-R700. I have bills to pay like most. R700 is just not in the budget.

The state of affairs has also put my private business plan on hold I can not host my servers in South Africa due to costs. This in-turn means, the dba, web admin cannot be hired. Income is also lost for the following to name a few - advertising agencies, hosting house, web design, hardware and software suppliers, cell market.

Not to mention the great service my potential clients are missing out on.

I read the other day that SA is going to lose a lot of their IT citizens to the UK. Its not the pound that calls us, its a better telecomunications market, were we can make a decient living that becons.

Regards
 
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