Call for Tuks name change

Bageloo said:
Why would they want to "anglicise" classes if there was sufficient demand to justify the service. Perhaps they are battling to secure Afrikaans lecturers and perhaps the numbers of afrikaans students don't justify the expense. I leave the speculation as to what their reasons are for wanting to "anglicise" classes, up to you. Bearing in mind that they have always offered afrikaans classes, you should ask yourself what has changed.
By the way, the article says that about 500 -1000 students joined the march. I suppose most of the UP bosses are Afrikaners themselves and yet they are threatening Afrikaners and the FF+. You go figure.:D
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Please go show your ignorance somewhere else. You said leave it to the students. Then freakin leave it to me and all the other students. We read about stuff like this in KampusBeeld and two university newspapers. Some every damn week. We have no reason to make this stuff up. But keep supporting your miserable failure of a government by all means. I won't stop you.
 
Tanarri said:
Please go show your ignorance somewhere else. You said leave it to the students. Then freakin leave it to me and all the other students. We read about stuff like this in KampusBeeld and two university newspapers. Some every damn week. We have no reason to make this stuff up. But keep supporting your miserable failure of a government by all means. I won't stop you.
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It would help if you could answer to arguments with counter arguments and not nonsensical ranting.:D
 
You claim is that Afrikaans classes are A) A economic drain and B) There aren't Afrikaans lecturers.

I think the burden of proof is on you. I am on campus each day, and most lecturers are Afrikaans but give class in English as well. I can also prove it quite easily by pointing you to the respective Faculty Web-sites were you can look at the staff and what classes they present. Also there are plenty of Afrikaans students, the classes are almost full. So what evidence do you have that it is a economic drain on Tuks. And where is your proof that the Lecturers are a problem?
 
The UP bosses are threatening Afrikaans people just for the fun of it.
 
This is just another sad attempt by a minority group of black students (fact) to generate resentment among students and cause chaos. Over the years that I was at Tuks, the university was trashed because the pasma group don’t get what they want. It interesting to notice that people are prepared to spend money on a name change but wasn't 1 or 2 years ago that people were complaining that they had should get free education and that the university should stop spending money on garden maintenance in order to do so? I personally don’t think the name will change if it is up to the students to decide, most are there to work and further their careers unlike the other useless shyte.

and regarding the tshwane / Pretoria issue ...
I pay rates and taxes to the municipality of tshwane for water, lights and removing my rubbish...
The municipality of tshwane buggers up my account at least 3 times a year...
and they generally have no clue on how to operate a reasonably functioning municipality (i.e. answer the phone once in a while)
But I live in the city of Pretoria

(Since when has the name of the municipality been more important than the name of the city / suburb?)
 
Skeptik said:
Revenge politics again. I've been saying it all along. Target the minorities eh Bagaloo?
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Duplicate classes for English and Afrikaans is not economically viable. Even though the majority of the UP bosses might be Afrikaners, they'll do well to realise that sentimental issues like this one do not pay the bills.
 
Bageloo said:
Duplicate classes for English and Afrikaans is not economically viable. Even though the majority of the UP bosses might be Afrikaners, they'll do well to realize that sentimental issues like this one do not pay the bills.
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mmm.... Duplicate classes?

Can you read? In this thread alone, it has been pointed out to you that there are lots of Afrikaans classes and they are always well attended.

Thus, what duplicate classes?? There are more than enough Afrikaans people to fill the classes. It has been pointed out like three times now. Please take note!

It is indeed economically viable to teach in Afrikaans. Where you get the idea from that it is not, eish, I wouldn't know...
Where it is not viable, it is done in DUAL MEDIUM, not just English. Lecturers that refused to answer questions in Afrikaans, while they could, but just didn't want to, has been talked to, in some cases even disciplined.
These classes are presented in English, then if anyone has any questions they can ask in Afrikaans etc.

But that is only courses for which only a few people enrolled. Generally, whenever there are enough people to fill a Afrikaans or English class satisfactory, the class will be created.

In my faculty, for example, there are about 3000 students receiving most of their classes in Afrikaans. Lots of the people take 2 subjects in English, and 1 in Afrikaans also.


You obviously don't know what you are talking about bageloo.
Maybe you should go to TUKS one day and see for yourself what is going on there. I think you will be greatly surprised.

Anyways, back on topic. I really don't think the uni's name will change. This is the PAC calling for it. They are quite a small party, not correct?

@xterminator. We've had this discussion. Saying Pretoria is just a suburb of Pretoria is stupid. You know it is flawed logic, I know it everyone knows it. They are just bending everything to fit in their plans.

Maybe they will eventually change the name to the university of Tshwane, but I doubt the university will let them do it without a fight.The post graduate center is not technically a part of the uni. It's a private entity. They will lose much of their book value if the TUKS brand is lost for them.
 
Is Wits also going to change name? Or have they. Wits is the Witwatersrand University. Witwatersrand, which is Afrikaans, when translated to English is White water ridge. The dreaded White word again
 
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
 
Bageloo said:
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
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I understand the current situation. What I don't understand is how it became like that.
It is/was an Afrikaans medium university. Now it isn't.

English speakers enroll & demanding to be taught in that language?
 
Most lecture halls don't have enough seating to allow for all students to be educated in one lecture hall esp. some of the more popular subjects such as Business Management, Financial Account etc. where there are more than 2500 students. Furthermore, the lecturers are paid a flat rate monthly fee, it is costing the University 0% more to let a bilingual lecturer present the class.

Secondly it's not as simple as everyone attend lecture X or Y. Since your wife was a student she should be able to explain to you why.

Furthermore if there are Universities that allow students to be instructed in Zulu why can't there be Universities that allow it Afrikaans?
 
Bageloo said:
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
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So all universities across the country should teach only in English?

Go tell that to Naledi Pandor and her "be taught in mother tongue" policy...
 
The policy about being taught in your mother tongue is a bit premature when they haven't even got this implemented in high schools IMO. Not talking about Afrikaans obviously.
 
Bageloo said:
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
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Ok, I see what you were trying to say, but you have to consider a lot of other factors too.

Firstly :
The Afrikaans lectures are well attended.
This means that there is enough students to fill the class.
Ok, just get that point, it's very important.

Secondly:
There is a lot of students. So, there will always have to be three or
something classes.
You just then make one of them Afrikaans.
Thirdly:
Like I said, if it is uneconomical to have two separate classes, there
is almost always just one class, in english. Even if the majority of the
students are Afrikaans, to accommodate the English people.


Ok, I think you are over simplifying here. It is a very complex situation with lots of other factors to consider.

Also, lots the lecturers that give English classes are Afrikaans. It's also a job, and if you can do it, why not do it.

There is also a limited number of seats per hall. So they have to form more than one group.

Ja, it is a very complex situation.
 
Bageloo said:
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
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As per usual you talk through your teeth.

At most of the Afrkaans schools the darkies that were allowed varies dramatically.

Ermelo: 123 of 1200 = 10.25%. Now the bruwwer government forces them to be dual medium. So that everybody can participate.

It is raw politics and nothing else.

Please don't make out that your rethoric is arguments.:sick:
 
Bageloo said:
I'll illustrate my point for the benefit of those that did not understand. You have 50% of students wanting their tuition in English then you have 40% wanting their tuition in Afrikaans. Doesn't that mean that you need 2 classes for the same module, one for Afrikaans and one for English? Doesn't that mean that you need an Afrikaans lecturer and another for English. Even if it's one person (bilingual), isn't that a double up on that person's teaching time? If that is the case, isn't that a duplication? Isn't more econmical to have one class, one lecturer, one lecture hall where everyone receives their tuition in English?
I've never studied at UP but my wife has. I got it form her that some classes are duplicated (2 classes one for English and one for Afrikaans). The fact that you are current students does not make you any more authorative in the issue as she was also a "current" student until last year.
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Yes off course the modules are being duplicated. But she failed to point out further things or you only remember selectively:

The larger classrooms at UP is much more frequently used with full schedules for every morning Mondays to Fridays.

Some modules get duplicated sometimes four times in English alone. Hey I wonder why??

At least in my faculty, almost every 1st and 2nd year subject has more than enough students to warrant at least one duplicate. The later year courses with more specialised subjects have fewer students and some are taught only in English anyway.

So who argues now without his homework? I go there every damn day. It has nothing to do with economics. It's all political bullsh!t.
 
Gnome said:
Most lecture halls don't have enough seating to allow for all students to be educated in one lecture hall esp. some of the more popular subjects such as Business Management, Financial Account etc. where there are more than 2500 students. Furthermore, the lecturers are paid a flat rate monthly fee, it is costing the University 0% more to let a bilingual lecturer present the class.

Secondly it's not as simple as everyone attend lecture X or Y. Since your wife was a student she should be able to explain to you why.

Furthermore if there are Universities that allow students to be instructed in Zulu why can't there be Universities that allow it Afrikaans?
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idon't know of any university that gives instruction in Zulu. Hell, not even the University of Zululand.
 
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