Cameron: Muslims must integrate

The Voice said:
Regardless of what race they are, they're all Muslim.
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You are saying religion is the only commonality amongst them. Am just pointing out that you are being disingenuous about that.

And there is a reason I brought up the Latinos and African Americans, as they are of a different religion yet the statistics are similar. Yet you immediately discount them because it doesn't conform to your theory

All these groups have a particular thing that is common to them that is not religion. Do you think maybe you have overlooked certain things?
 
imranpanji said:
You are saying religion is the only commonality amongst them. Am just pointing out that you are being disingenuous about that.

And there is a reason I brought up the Latinos and African Americans, as they are of a different religion yet the statistics are similar. Yet you immediately discount them because it doesn't conform to your theory

All these groups have a particular thing that is common to them that is not religion. Do you think maybe you have overlooked certain things?
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I wasn't disregarding it because it didn't agree with my theory. It was specific to the situation in France, which has nothing to do with the US. I wasn't sure what you were getting at to be honest, because the article was about Muslims making up the majority in prisons - not that they were Arabic, Black, etc.

I'm genuinely interested to know why you think there's a link to race (in two separate countries) when it comes to high percentages of prison populations. One would assume that in countries where a certain race is the majority (SA as an example) that this would also reflect the make up of those incarcerated - yet in countries such as France, if you're referring to Muslims being strictly Arabic (and your example, America) the opposite is true.
 
The Voice said:
I wasn't disregarding it because it didn't agree with my theory. It was specific to the situation in France, which has nothing to do with the US. I wasn't sure what you were getting at to be honest, because the article was about Muslims making up the majority in prisons - not that they were Arabic, Black, etc.

I'm genuinely interested to know why you think there's a link to race (in two separate countries) when it comes to high percentages of prison populations. One would assume that in countries where a certain race is the majority (SA as an example) that this would also reflect the make up of those incarcerated - yet in countries such as France (and your example, America) the opposite is true.
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Again, you are ignoring the actual issue that leads to this crime. You have fixated on religion, the same as others fixate on race. And by bringing SA into the fold are actually proving my point. Maybe if you can't find a common vein, you are looking at the wrong vein

And that issue reflective in South African context too. What would be the commonality between the majority in South Africa and the minorities in both the US and France. You need to look at all factors involved and then base your conclusions on that.

What could possibly cause a guy in Alex or Soweto turn to crime than the guy of the same race and religion from Sandton? What % of the different groupings that tend to turn to crime are employed or have an opportunity for employment? What are their living conditions growing up? Both economical and the nature of their neighbourhood?

Now compare that to the Bidonvilles and Ghettos in France where the large majority of these immigrants live and grow up. What is the unemployment or employability of the youth that emerge from there?And let's add to this comparison 'the projects' in the US and their similarities and the effect on the crime in those areas.

There is a very good study by the brookings institute that actually take things like living conditions and poverty into consideration. I suggest you have a good read. :

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&s...AN5ZQH-0wveJqEhbNw&sig2=3d8a60Xag-fSNfY1_earV
 
Nicodeamus said:
The 50% is just pure BS, outside of Paris there isnt a lot of French people, except maybe Marseille. There also needs to be drawn a distinction, there are muslims and muslims in France. The Algerians and Tunisians that immigrated to France in the 1970 are just as patriotic as the average Frenchmen and also supports the government in integrating these communities.
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80% of children are muslims in Seine-Saint-Denis. Even in Beziers :
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/politique/20150505.OBS8415/fn-quand-robert-menard-fiche-les-enfants-musulmans-de-beziers.html : 64,9%

So your statement is non-sens.

Orleans, Dreux, Strasbourg, Metz, Lille, Roubaix (muslim majority), Toulon, Nice, Lyon... Huge muslim population.

If you want facts I can give you some true estimates
 
Dave123 said:
Yes, that was the point I was making, and hoping he would somehow try and justify his ignorant statement.
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http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/04/05/le-president-du-conseil-francais-du-culte-musulman-veut-doubler-le-nombre-de-mosquees_4609881_3224.html
Nous avons 2 200 mosquées. Il en faut le double d'ici deux ans
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Pour les « 7 millions de musulmans » de France, les mosquées actuelles « ne suffisent pas », a souligné le président du CFCM
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Your 5 million are taken from "official" reports but you ignore that in France, this is forbiden to get surveys based on race or religion.

7 million could be also underestimated as there are many migrants unaccounted in France, most of them muslims.
 
samuelp said:
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/04/05/le-president-du-conseil-francais-du-culte-musulman-veut-doubler-le-nombre-de-mosquees_4609881_3224.html

Your 5 million are taken from "official" reports but you ignore that in France, this is forbiden to get surveys based on race or religion.

7 million could be also underestimated as there are many migrants unaccounted in France, most of them muslims.
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Still waiting for the proof to back up your statement that 50% of children in French schools are Muslim...
 
muslims must integreate or be handled with "western" laws from 1437, which is the current year in islam.

they claim ignorance, we provide our ignorance from 500 years ago..
 
samuelp said:
http://www.breizh-info.com/2016/02/10/morlaix-60-des-enfants-de-lecole-gambetta-seraient-musulmans/
https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1997/06/ROUSTEL/4748
http://laconnectrice.net/2013/06/23/notre-douce-france-est-morte-a-argenteuil-ville-male-et-musulmane/

It's easy to proove that but you don't know France, apparently
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Nope, my little ignorant friend, your links don't prove your statement. You claimed that over 50% of children in French schools are Muslim.

Posting a link about ONE school in France (with 94 pupils) having a Muslim majority just means the school is in a Muslim predominant area.

Try again.

Oh, and also, when exactly did you live in France? Or visit France for any extended period? (Just to get an idea of any actual experience you might have).

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Looking at your posting history and it becomes quite apparent what you are...

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Dave123 said:
Still waiting for the proof to back up your statement that 50% of children in French schools are Muslim...
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http://muslimpopulation.com/Europe/

Muslim population France is 9.6%

Its greater in Russia with 19%

In the UK its only 4.6%

When they say many are unaccounted for, the same argument can be given for non-muslims, so it evens out and the stats are reasonably accurate and a statement that 50% of children in French schools are muslim is a Trumpism (Trumpism = BS due to bigotry) :)
 
zippy said:
http://muslimpopulation.com/Europe/

Muslim population France is 9.6%

Its greater in Russia with 19%

In the UK its only 4.6%

When they say many are unaccounted for, the same argument can be given for non-muslims, so it evens out and the stats are reasonably accurate and a statement that 50% of children in French schools are muslim is a Trumpism (Trumpism = BS due to bigotry) :)
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Trumpism?

I like that ;).

So someone making outrageous racist or anti Muslim statements (like samuelp) is trumping?
 
Dave123 said:
Nope, my little ignorant friend, your links don't prove your statement. You claimed that over 50% of children in French schools are Muslim.

Posting a link about ONE school in France (with 94 pupils) having a Muslim majority just means the school is in a Muslim predominant area.

Try again.

Oh, and also, when exactly did you live in France? Or visit France for any extended period? (Just to get an idea of any actual experience you might have).

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Looking at your posting history and it becomes quite apparent what you are...

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I can give you many links coming from different areas in France related to schools with a clear majority of muslims, in whatever districts. While 50% could be overestimated, there is no official census related to race and religion in France (as far as I know, it comes from the 3rd republic in 1880s).

Please visit France, let's say :
- La Courneuve ; Sevran ; Aubervilliers ; Stains ; Grigny ; Dreux ; Lyon ; Marseille ; Toulon ; Montpellier ; Nice ; Vitrolles ; Roubaix ; Tourcoing ; Calais ; Morlaix ...)

And let me know. I have many relatives in France though. France is not equal to wealthy Paris streets. If you visit only "Trocadero" and Eiffel Tower, so I understand you point of view
 
zippy said:
http://muslimpopulation.com/Europe/

Muslim population France is 9.6%

Its greater in Russia with 19%

In the UK its only 4.6%

When they say many are unaccounted for, the same argument can be given for non-muslims, so it evens out and the stats are reasonably accurate and a statement that 50% of children in French schools are muslim is a Trumpism (Trumpism = BS due to bigotry) :)
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6,1 in 2014, without illegals and the migrant waves of 2015. Thanks you for posting this.
 
Dave123 said:
You don't say, you little trumper.




I do, at least 4 times a year. It's less than a 2 hour flight for me, you still haven't answered, when were you last in France for any period of time? In fact, when were you last in France?
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My brother live in France and I go there 2 times a year. I stayed in France for almost 10 years.

I don't know where you go in France but please take your time to visit Grigny, Dreux, Roubaix or Toulon. You will enjoy...
 
samuelp said:
My brother live in France and I go there 2 times a year. I stayed in France for almost 10 years.

I don't know where you go in France but please take your time to visit Grigny, Dreux, Roubaix or Toulon. You will enjoy...
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Ok, we believe everything you trumpet out, having seen your posting history it's obvious what you are.
 
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