Can the War on Terror Be Won?

[bodhi]

'wars on terrorism' cant be won. The only way to win against any non-regular warfare is by POLITICAL ACTION. Not 'military' action.

Pick just about any so-called war between a) a formal regular standing army and b) a guerrilla/'terrorist'/liberation movement - the only way to resolve the conflict is to engage politically.

A war against an irregular army, cannot be 'won'.

But technically, the overall idea of what the 'war on terror' actually is, is faulty to begin with.

Technically, there's a fair amount of evidence to demonstrate that much of the so-called enemy in this 'war of terror' - is imaginary or created by Western intelligence services, in order to boost the profit making of the military industrial complex.

British military did defeat the terrorists during the Malayan Emergency...

 

[Alan]

I don't think the War on Terror is ever supposed to end, just be sustained.
America needs a enemy so the Government has something to protect the people from. Its all very 1984 (it's actually very scary how it's heading that way)

They are already turning their own people into terrorists, apparently just running an anti american blog constitutes terrorism according to the new patriot act. Which means they can arrest and interrogate you without any court hearing or anything.

Oh and plenty countries, Hindus, innocent Muslims, Buddhists are all in on making this enemy

Really? There are plenty of Anti American blogs many of which are linked to on this forum still running. There are plenty of Anti American protests in U.S cities. Why is that then?

Germany, Italy and Japan are three countries.
Terrorism is and Ideology

You can Nuke a country but you can kill an ideology.

Eh ever heard of fascism or communism?

This lends to the idea that terrorism within itself might be propagated by the US gov themselves as to gain support for their war on random countries.

So do they pick the name out of a hat or something

Agreed I have similar concerns, the US is a War State which will declare war on anyone anywhere so *shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh* we might be next

I wouldn't complain if it was you

Yes - but not by means of conventional military action.

Alone

So even peacefull lobbying and political stances by environmentalists and animal activists are now being labelled under "domestic terrorism".

T.W.A.T. has no boundaries.

It depends what they do. For example if they murder innocent people for eating meat or something then they are terrorists.

 

[trek_mambo]

Any ideology inspired by or motivated by religion, is a religious ideology, all be it warped or corrupted to suit the purposes of those involved.
Suicide bombings aside, i was refering to countries labelling legitimate organisations such as Animal activist, or Eco groups as terrorist organisations, or as organisations that engage in "domestic terrorism", and where opposition such as slashing tyres, spiking trees, releasing lab animals is no longer viewed or dealt with as vandalism and seen as civil cases, are now being viewed as "Eco-Terrorism" and charges are being brought not of vandalism, but of terrorism.
In other words the word "terrorist" is being thrown around left right and centre to mark any group or individual who wishes to take action no matter how small against official policy.



So even peacefull lobbying and political stances by environmentalists and animal activists are now being labelled under "domestic terrorism".

T.W.A.T. has no boundaries.

True, thus the laws against Terrorism should not only be fear by terrorists but also every other free thinking individual.

 

[trek_mambo]

Oh and plenty countries, Hindus, innocent Muslims, Buddhists are all in on making this enemy

Really? There are plenty of Anti American blogs many of which are linked to on this forum still running. There are plenty of Anti American protests in U.S cities. Why is that then?




Eh ever heard of fascism or communism?




So do they pick the name out of a hat or something



I wouldn't complain if it was you




Alone





It depends what they do. For example if they murder innocent people for eating meat or something then they are terrorists.

Fart

 

[d0b33]

Fart

I don't agree with alanf85 either, but these "fart" posts are becoming ridiculous.

 

[knobshine]

Oh and plenty countries, Hindus, innocent Muslims, Buddhists are all in on making this enemy

Really? There are plenty of Anti American blogs many of which are linked to on this forum still running. There are plenty of Anti American protests in U.S cities. Why is that then?

Well they only became "in on making this enemy" when america started building bases on their holy land and getting rid of the democratically elected leaders and trying to force their hand picked dictators to rule instead. (anyone remember Saddam, he used to be big pals with the US)

They're busy building concentration camps on the US now to to keep all the protesters in once they go full blown martial law. The place practically is a police state as it stands.

I'm just pointing out that if they wanted to they could just detain "domestic terrorists" (anyone outspokenly anti-american) indefinitely AND interrogate them without having to worry about going to court or getting a warrant.
They aren't doing it yet because then even the dumbest of americans will start taking notice that their freedom is being stripped away bit by bit.

 

[noxibox]

I don't think the War on Terror is ever supposed to end, just be sustained.
America needs a enemy so the Government has something to protect the people from. Its all very 1984 (it's actually very scary how it's heading that way)

The US government definitely has anti-freedom leanings. Is all this orchestrated or just an ideal opportunity that came along?

With the use of a compound adjective?

Somebody should warn Bush that the Iranians possess the technology to split an infinitive.

 

[Syndyre]

Well they only became "in on making this enemy" when america started building bases on their holy land and getting rid of the democratically elected leaders and trying to force their hand picked dictators to rule instead. (anyone remember Saddam, he used to be big pals with the US)

They're busy building concentration camps on the US now to to keep all the protesters in once they go full blown martial law. The place practically is a police state as it stands.

I'm just pointing out that if they wanted to they could just detain "domestic terrorists" (anyone outspokenly anti-american) indefinitely AND interrogate you without having to worry about going to court or getting a warrant.
They aren't doing it yet because then even the dumbest of americans will start taking notice that their freedom is being stripped away bit by bit.

The US built bases in Saudi to protect them from Saddam and Iraq, with the permission of the Saudi government. Democracy's not that great anyway when you elect Hamas.

 

[knobshine]

The US government definitely has anti-freedom leanings. Is all this orchestrated or just an ideal opportunity that came along?

Well I fully believe that 9/11 was a false flag operation.
For anyone who thinks otherwise I recommend you see the 2nd part of Zeitgeist. They totally rip the governments official story to shreds. It's one of the better put together arguments that 9/11 was an inside job.

Also remember that with practically every war that america has entered into there was a false flag operation to get the people behind the war.

WWI - the sinking of the Lusitania
WWII - Pearl Harbor
Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin Incident
TWAT - 9/11

 

[Alan]

Well they only became "in on making this enemy" when america started building bases on their holy land and getting rid of the democratically elected leaders and trying to force their hand picked dictators to rule instead. (anyone remember Saddam, he used to be big pals with the US)

The U.S only accommodated Saddam because of the Mullahs in Iran. Just like they accommodated the Soviets when deal with the Nazis.

They're busy building concentration camps on the US now to to keep all the protesters in once they go full blown martial law. The place practically is a police state as it stands.

Proof please? How is it any way a police state.

I'm just pointing out that if they wanted to they could just detain "domestic terrorists" (anyone outspokenly anti-american) indefinitely AND interrogate them without having to worry about going to court or getting a warrant.
They aren't doing it yet because then even the dumbest of americans will start taking notice that their freedom is being stripped away bit by bit.

Well it's been 6 years and we're still waiting. How long is this gonna take?

The US government definitely has anti-freedom leanings. Is all this orchestrated or just an ideal opportunity that came along?

Again a wild claim with no proof. Please explain, not completely ignore which is norm here, the fact that their are plenty of anti American websites, protests, inviduals in the U.S shouting their mouths off. How the hell then can the government have anti freedom leanings

 

[Alan]

Well I fully believe that 9/11 was a false flag operation.
For anyone who thinks otherwise I recommend you see the 2nd part of Zeitgeist. They totally rip the governments official story to shreds. It's one of the better put together arguments that 9/11 was an inside job.

Also remember that with practically every war that america has entered into there was a false flag operation to get the people behind the war.

WWI - the sinking of the Lusitania
WWII - Pearl Harbor
Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin Incident
TWAT - 9/11?

Oh no another truther

Yeah they were behind Genghis Khan as well

 

[Syndyre]

Also remember that with practically every war that america has entered into there was a false flag operation to get the people behind the war.

WWI - the sinking of the Lusitania
WWII - Pearl Harbor

You state it as if its historical fact that those two were false flag operations but that's far from the truth.

 

[d0b33]

T.W.A.T (The War Against Terrorism) is appropriately titled, because you must be one to believe in it.

 

[JimM]

before 9/11, terrorists never existed. since the wars, they are popping out all over the damn place. America have themselves to blame.

The IRA started circa 1970 - Not USA
ETA Spain have been at it for years - Not USA
ANC Now legal - Not USA
PLO - Not USA

The pre-9/11 list goes on and on... Do you read papers of watch news??

 

[knobshine]

well it germany had an ad in an american paper stating that the lusitania was going to be traveling through german controlled waters and that it was most likely to be sunk. And urged people not to travel on it.

America seemed to be doing everything in their power to piss off japan (trade sanctions) and they knew that a huge japanese task force was heading straight for pear harbour and did nothing about it, no warning to the harbor or anything.

ok fair enough those two weren't planned/orchestrated by america but they let both incidents happen. With no intervention.

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sigh this can go on forever. All the above views are what I believe. (and remember I'm a conspiracy nut that believes everything he reads/hears. I believe in 4th dimensional reptiles feeding off our emotions ffs... well not really ) So if you don't agree with me go investigate for yourself. But please just don't disagree with me and leave it at that. Look at alternative sources other than the newspaper or TV (especially these days). I don't want everyone to agree with my take on things but at least be aware that there is a very dark side to the current american administration.

 

[noxibox]

before 9/11, terrorists never existed. since the wars, they are popping out all over the damn place. America have themselves to blame.

They existed, their activities were perhaps less publicised or maybe world news was less widespread or maybe we noticed less. I'm sure the average American thought nothing of terrorism before a major event occurred in their own country.

Terrorism has always been useful as an excuse for a crackdown on civil liberties though.

 

[knobshine]

Some proof of concentration camps: (this is just from a quick google search, I'm at work)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration.html
http://www.texemarrs.com/122002/concentration_camps_in_america.htm

 

[trek_mambo]

Let's try to agree here, I mean most of us live in South Africa or lived in SA so have little to no real ties to America. We are not American so we don't need to defend it,m neither do we plan to bomb them since we have nothing to gain from it. In actual fact if the US does bad economically I live more uncomfortably here in SA considering Oil prices rising etc.

Okay now let's do away with any previous biases and come to some sort of consensus. (i.e. be objective)

America is currently in TWAT, They have officially declared War (an event in which many people die terrible meaningless deaths in the name of a common cause) on Terrorism (an ideal).

Domestically:

They set up legislation in the US as part of TWAT, these laws take most of the US citizens basic freedoms away for good (e.g. privacy and a Right to Free Speech). In other words Americans are willingly giving up their own rights in an attempt to help in TWAT... but these rights have now forever disappeared. So in other words the very Rights their forefathers fought for are now all gone... forever. You don't need to believe that 9/11 was a false-flag operation to know what I just said.

Internationally:

They have the biggest War Machine in the World. They spend 540 Billion Dollars a year on this War Machine. They have yesterday increased this budged by 60 Billion US Dollars. They have a military base in close proximity to every country in the world. They control our Economies. They control our Lifestyles. They control what we watch on Television, read in the newspaper and listen on the Radio. "Who controls the Media controls the Mind" So the only News we get these days is filtered through America and Europe. They have declared war on Iraq, without reason, no justification which agrees with UN laws. They have gone against everything the people of the world said and they plundered every woman, husband and child that once walked the wealthy streets of Baghdad. America's War on Terror is now being extended into Iran and troops still run around Afghanistan without reason. The War on Terror will never and can never stop. It's the perfect disguise for a genocide of the people of the world.

It was said earlier that 20% of Americans believe this wild conspiracy theory that 9/11 was a false flag operation... my friend that is a very large number indeed... especially considering that most of those are educated professors and doctors and business people. We must keep in mind that the Majority of Americans are idiots, so to have the smartest believing this theory is no easy feat. The rest of the world also don't find 9/11 comforting. Rallies, Protests, Petitions, Documentaries, Books, Seminars, Meetings, Organizations, Entire Religions (Islam) and Entire Countries believe 9/11 was a false flag operation. The few conspiracy theory websites you see hanging around is the tip of a very large ice-berg... as the majority of these people hide behind collars and ties.

In totality and as objective as I can be, America is not the Angel it claims to be.

 

[chiskop]

WWI - the sinking of the Lusitania
WWII - Pearl Harbor
Vietnam - Gulf of Tonkin Incident
TWAT - 9/11?

Brilliant. I love how you just state these fairly startling opinions as fact without any effort to back it up, prove your point or anything.

 

[Alan]

They existed, their activities were perhaps less publicised or maybe world news was less widespread or maybe we noticed less. I'm sure the average American thought nothing of terrorism before a major event occurred in their own country.

Terrorism has always been useful as an excuse for a crackdown on civil liberties though.

I dunno about that.

1983 Beirut barracks bombing

In the attack on the American barracks, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured. In the attack on the French barracks, 58 paratroopers were killed and 15 injured, in the single worst military loss for the French since the end of the Algerian war.[5] In addition, the elderly Lebanese custodian of the Marines' building was killed in the first blast.[4] The wife and four children of a Lebanese janitor at the French building also were killed.[6]

This was the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima (2,500 in one day) of World War II and the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the 243 killed on 31st January 1968 — the first day of the Tet offensive in the Vietnam war. The attack remains the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II. [7]

Some proof of concentration camps: (this is just from a quick google search, I'm at work)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/concentration.html
http://www.texemarrs.com/122002/concentration_camps_in_america.htm

Yeah you gonna have to find some better proof than that.

Your first link is dated 1997 long before the Bush admistration.

Let's try to agree here, I mean most of us live in South Africa or lived in SA so have little to no real ties to America. We are not American so we don't need to defend it,m neither do we plan to bomb them since we have nothing to gain from it. In actual fact if the US does bad economically I live more uncomfortably here in SA considering Oil prices rising etc.

Stating facts is not just 'defending America'

They set up legislation in the US as part of TWAT, these laws take most of the US citizens basic freedoms away for good (e.g. privacy and a Right to Free Speech). In other words Americans are willingly giving up their own rights in an attempt to help in TWAT... but these rights have now forever disappeared. So in other words the very Rights their forefathers fought for are now all gone... forever. You don't need to believe that 9/11 was a false-flag operation to know what I just said.

Still waiting for proof. This is about the 3rd or 4th time this claim has been made and still no proof. Still no explanation for anti American websites, protests, inviduals in the U.S shouting their mouths off. C'mon people repeating it over and over doesn't make it a fact.

They control what we watch on Television, read in the newspaper and listen on the Radio. "Who controls the Media controls the Mind" So the only News we get these days is filtered through America and Europe.

Some as above. Still waiting for proof and explanations for "shock troops', 'rathergate' and 101 other admited media lies.

It was said earlier that 20% of Americans believe this wild conspiracy theory that 9/11 was a false flag operation.

What poll was what that anyway?

We must keep in mind that the Majority of Americans are idiots, so to have the smartest believing this theory is no easy feat.

What does that make us As they're the sole super power. Eish

America is not the Angel it claims to be.

Nobody is claiming they are