Can we do something about people posting "too low"...

Hamster

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prOd said:
Everyone is expendable. I've known insanely talented developers that left companies without warning and guess what? *drum-roll*...Nothing.

The business will find a way to go on without them.
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This. No one person is the cornerstone of any company worthwhile to work for. If you leave, you are missed...for about a day.
 
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WhiteRaven said:
Thank you, I haven't been on this forum for to long and has been trolled from day 1 and given unbelievable flack about being a recruiter. I have to tolerate questioning about the salary, what is in the surrounding area, why do you put what is in the surrounding area.. add the benefits, why you adding the benefits blah blah blah. its a constant. NOTHING that is ever posted in the jobs section is going to be good enough to everyone. If you don't want to apply, then move on because there are people out there earning WAY less than what is advertised, with ALL the requirements.

BTW... In the few weeks I've been on this forum, I've place 3 people from here... ALL at higher salaries than what they were earning, ALL in better working environments with benefits. They were very happy with the services I provided, even though I'm a Mom, who uses pnet, Linked In and how dare I.. Facebook.
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Ignore the stupid replies in the thread. If these people were actually looking they would not waste time commenting.
Either this job suits you or it does not.

I'm looking and I read all of these job threads, often just to see what things are happening in the industry. What are companies hiring, what are they looking for. You learn about the expectation out there.

Please post jobs! Perhaps I'll find what I'm looking for one day.
 
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Hamster said:
This. No one person is the cornerstone of any company worthwhile to work for. If you leave, you are missed...for about a day.
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Our client actually has a clause in their contract with us that we have to retain the services of our top Dev. If he leaves they can walk away, the entire product depends on him being there.
Things have changed and he is not that critical but flip if he goes it's not going to be fun.
 
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Hamster said:
This. No one person is the cornerstone of any company worthwhile to work for. If you leave, you are missed...for about a day.
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I've seen letting the wrong person walk mushroom out into billion dollar mistakes before. There are definitely both cases: where this is absolutely true and cases where the employee is simply delusional.
 
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Hamster said:
This. No one person is the cornerstone of any company worthwhile to work for. If you leave, you are missed...for about a day.
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One of the companies we work will definitely take longer than a day should their top guy go. I wouldn't be surprised if they are reduced to fairly nothing for +/-3months - they are in a position, where they will be safe, i.e. won't go under, even if that happens.
 
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GhostSixFour said:
One of the companies we work will definitely take longer than a day should their top guy go. I wouldn't be surprised if they are reduced to fairly nothing for +/-3months - they are in a position, where they will be safe, i.e. won't go under, even if that happens.
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A company that makes itself so dependent on one person...I'd rather not work for :D What if he dies? This really happened to a company I previously worked at.
 
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GhostSixFour said:
One of the companies we work will definitely take longer than a day should their top guy go. I wouldn't be surprised if they are reduced to fairly nothing for +/-3months - they are in a position, where they will be safe, i.e. won't go under, even if that happens.
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Well it was a figure of speech. What I meant was, as you say, they won't go under.
 
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Nobody is indispensible... its only in the movies, and portrayed like that in popular culture.

One company I worked at... the person who had R135m in shares in the company, and who designed everything, the entire show... decided to eat a bullet for dinner. Did they go belly up or fail? No... they carried on, and are still going.

I designed an entire product line at a company, a vehicle tracking device, its backends, the whole lot. I left because the company sucked. Did that do anything to them? No. All they did was get someone in from a competitor, at short notice, and used an off-the-shelf product and got back into the game quickly.

The way to approach employment is as follows:

a) All jobs are temporary. The days of our parents are gone forever. None of us can reasonably expect to be with a company longer than 5 years... unless we own the company or we are of such a nature that we're a major shareholder.

b) Companies feel f**k for you. It is therefore incumbent upon you to play the office games, be the arse-creeper, and whatever else is required to look out for yourself, and bring home the money. Also you should also approach it like you would be gambling, the ride can end at any moment i.e. retrenchment or being gotten rid of.

c) It is just work, in the larger scheme of things its just a means to an end.

d) Keep your passions at home. If you code as a job, reserve all the cool stuff for home.. This won't work for everyone but it can be done.
 
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prOd said:
A company that makes itself so dependent on one person...I'd rather not work for :D What if he dies? This really happened to a company I previously worked at.
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I'm pretty sure that the big wigs are laying awake at night pondering this same question, but the guys they keep hiring just isn't up to scratch to do what this guy does.

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Well it was a figure of speech. What I meant was, as you say, they won't go under.
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GhostSixFour said:
I'm pretty sure that the big wigs are laying awake at night pondering this same question, but the guys they keep hiring just isn't up to scratch to do what this guy does.



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Nah, they lie awake at night thinking about how they can juggle money and get more returns on investments, and they also think about retirement, and whether or not to buy a new Mercedes Benz
 
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skimread said:
Recruiters are not posting on this site to help candidates they do so to earn commission out of the deal and send x amount of candidate CVs to the recruiters because that is what their client wants.

You have to see it from our point of view.
Many recruiter post fake generic ads to build up a database and harvest employers contact details from candidate contact history. These "moms" want to work from home but need many clients first so thats the reason they spam the forum and justifiable get abuse.
Look at how gumtree gets spammed by these generic ads causing candidates to just stop applying.
You should be grateful we chase away the bad recruiters on mybb since you probably have had more quality responses here for your ads compared to gumtree because of our quality control or what your call abuse. Once you realize you have benefited from what we are doing and not take it personally I think you will have a much better relationship with members. You participating in the forum also helps and will make people trust you more. End result both parties benefit.
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I really do get that there are a lot of recruiters out there that do make life difficult because they actually don't understand their "product" which is very frustrating. I find though that I get a lot of comments, for the sake of making a comment.. it is what it is and I'm not going to lose any sleep over someone who actually hasn't done what I do and more than likely doesn't understand the fundamentals of my career.

I am totally against false job advertising and candidate harvesting... its unethical in my view.
 
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Duan said:
I received this in my mail this morning...

http://www.itsaboutpeople.co.za/Blo...8-637f-e311-b1f5-00155d01281f&cm_medium=email

Thoughts?
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Ultimately , neither delusional buyers nor delusional companies set the market price for IT workers. The market sets the market price , and employers and candidates can either take that price or not get a job/employee.

Recruiters want lower prices so they can place more people. Placing two people at R30,000 pays more commission than one person at R40,000 . I have had recruiters tell me I would "battle" to get x or y figure , and then I easily got that figure. They just want to be able to place you in the salary bracket the employer is offering and move on. Its much easier that way.

Candidates are looking for opportunities to jump ship and move to a new company , but the salaries offered are preventing them from doing that. Companies offer lower salaries in the hope that they will be able to increase their profits by hiring low and selling high. However , because IT candidates are in demand , the market isn't allowing them to do that.

Case in point - the linux admin job for BidorBuy went on for months with no good takers. The Bidorbuy rep described the process as "difficult" and "frustrating". This was because they were simply not offering enough. They then raised the salary bracket. Here , we can see that the market decides the salary for you. You don't really have a say in the matter , even if you are BidorBuy.

What's going on with the "its too low" posts are that salaries are being offered that are below market related , and candidates are voicing their frustration with the fact that companies aren't in line with what the market is paying. If the salaries were on the high side , nobody would complain.
 
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