Can you pay your bond?

if you default on your payments they will take your house, and auction it off.
it is now "their" house.
what they get for it they keep. your equity you initially pumped into the place as a deposit or whatever is gone. they do not act in your own best interest to get the best price..they only want a price (ideally) which covers the outstanding amount, but if it sells for less so be it. if it sells for more, so be it.

see, if you treat housing as an investment, then you end up having an investment. and investments can go up and down (normal disclaimer... :-) )
 
True.
But you will not get credit again.
At least not for ten years.

I think the NCA act put a spanner in that one. I think the bad debt entry is voided after 1 year at the credit bureau (I am going on what I have read and heard.... so I could be way wrong)
 
if you default on your payments they will take your house, and auction it off.
it is now "their" house.
what they get for it they keep. your equity you initially pumped into the place as a deposit or whatever is gone. they do not act in your own best interest to get the best price..they only want a price (ideally) which covers the outstanding amount, but if it sells for less so be it. if it sells for more, so be it.

see, if you treat housing as an investment, then you end up having an investment. and investments can go up and down (normal disclaimer... :-) )

Is this correct? The bank needs to recover it's money and you need to discharge your debt to them as well as protect your own investment. Therefore, there are dual interests at stake here. The Code of Banking Practice states:-
banks are “committed to the highest standards of ethical behaviour”, will “act fairly and reasonably” with “uncompromising integrity and fairness” and will, when you, dear client, get into trouble, “take reasonable steps to develop a plan for dealing with your financial difficulties, consistent with both our interests and yours”.

A recent judgement might be of interest to you.
Nedbank's foul comes home to roost

More detailed info leading up to this court case can be found here:-
HOW NEDBANK EMBRACES ITS CLIENTS
 
I think the NCA act put a spanner in that one. I think the bad debt entry is voided after 1 year at the credit bureau (I am going on what I have read and heard.... so I could be way wrong)

I have no idea.
Does anyone here know?
As far as i know banks kept records for 5 years.
Bankrupcy lasted for 10 years unless you rehabilitate.
 
I think the NCA act put a spanner in that one. I think the bad debt entry is voided after 1 year at the credit bureau (I am going on what I have read and heard.... so I could be way wrong)
Incorrect. Bad debt is one thing, a judgment order (for the bank to auction the house for example) is another. A judgment will remain on the credit bureau books for 5 years.
 
I have no idea.
Does anyone here know?
As far as i know banks kept records for 5 years.
Bankrupcy lasted for 10 years unless you rehabilitate.

If you're placed under court ordered administration, the term is 10 years. Standard judgments (i.e. non sequestration or administration orders) are 5 years. Listed debts (where no court action is sought, but the debtor is listed with a bureau as a bad or slow or non payer) is 1 year.
 
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Incorrect. Bad debt is one thing, a judgment order (for the bank to auction the house for example) is another. A judgment will remain on the credit bureau books for 5 years.

I stand corrected :D Thanks.

But the rest of the chaps must not confuse when people buy houses under the name of a CC .. the finance act is different for Company and Personal.
 
I stand corrected :D Thanks.

But the rest of the chaps must not confuse when people buy houses under the name of a CC .. the finance act is different for Company and Personal.

One thing to note: when settling debt, you can have the credit bureau remove adverse information with the permission from the creditor (a letter from the creditor will allow adverse debtor information to be removed). This can typically be negotiated by a lawyer (most law firms who promise scrapping your name from blacklists do exactly this)

Edit: further to my point above: to remove a judgment order from credit bureau records, you'd first need to have the judgment rescinded.
 
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When I worked at the bank they would take your house and the equity if you default. I do recall there was a bit of a stink about this some time ago and its possible that this might have changed.
 
he he.. I bought my house before the boom. Sold it last month. . My loan on my new house is only R400k instead of R1 Million.

Uncle Tito can raise that rate, I already signed with SA Homeloans (fixed 100% of my bond). So no nasty surprises in the future.
 
If you apply at the court house for rehablitation it would be much shorter.

The only k@k thing is your credit record will be looking really crappy and the banks will most likely say you are a high risk, but there will always be one bank that will eventually give you a loan.

And a bad credit record pretty much eliminates chances at getting a job at a bank. Or so I gathered, from the process involved when I got a new job.
 
Dude, I've seen it happen at the coalface and its scary. I said to people 5 years ago, shortly after I left the bank, that there was going to be a BIG bump in the road. That bump is happening now and to be honest I don't know how this country is going to survive it. I think the wheels may come off completely this time.

South Africa has too much reliance on debt. Interest rates MUST go up in order to attract real investment from abroad and deter people from over-extending themselves with medium and long term debt. Tito is between a rock and a hard place, all because of his own doing.

Higher interest rates do not attract the right kind of foreign investment. If you base FI on interest rates, you risk the following:
1. Attracting speculators, who will dump their investments at the slightest sign that they will get a lower return, or see another opportunity in another country as more attractive.
2. Unstable currency - either over or under valued. Purely speculative foreign investment leads to higher demand for the local currency which in turn makes the local currency artificially more valuable. This is not a good thing because it reduces our export competitiveness and generally overvalues the currency - leading to currency instability in the long term.
3. Shifting the basis of the economy to one of financial derivatives as opposed to one based on resources or manufacturing. For any economy this is really dangerous, but for one with a relatively small pool of consumers it is deathly. While Japan, the UK and the USA can possibly survive in this kind of regime due to the spread of wealth in the country amongst the population, it is unlikely that SA could survive it.

So, while I agree that the money supply should be controlled, and interest rates are an important way to achieve this, the Reserve Bank has to think globally rather than just locally. In addition, I've always felt that using interest rates to control inflation is always self-defeating. By increasing interest rates, you will almost always also increase the cost of doing business - if costs go up, then so do prices - which is inflation. Alternatively in areas where it is impossible to increase prices, businesses will look to reduce costs, usually by increasing efficiencies - read productivity- which often means fewer jobs and a corresponding lower economic growth rate.

I'm not an economist but I think that it is really important not to look at these problems in isolation, or you risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

PS: I didn't read the rest of the thread after the quoted post, so if I'm repeating anything - sorry :)
 
2 very relevant articles on Moneyweb Realestateweb relevant to this discussion.

In the first 'Deep, deep property trouble' they confirm the popular perception that the main reason people are loosing their homes is because of re-financing.
They also say the main reason for this is to finance retail debt or deposits on those other nice toys (think quads bikes for the family and all those things).
I wager these are the people calling for the bond and interest rates to be separate ;)

The second deals with the property prices. In 'Joburg property: cheaper now than last year' one of the big banks (FNB) has finally acknowledged that property prices in some areas in Jozi are certainly on the decline, but they remain optimistic, as they would ;)
Geffen, who heads the Lew Geffen Sotheby's International Realty, predicts a different situation with prices falling up to 30% in the next 3 years.

Even if the real truth lies in the middle of these to viewpoints it still points to a negative growth.
 
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If property prices fall up to 30% in the next 3 years I'll be a very very happy little boy.

I'll finally be able to comfortably afford a place as opposed to now where I'd be stretching myself WAY to thin and prob lose it in the next interest rate hike.
 
I actually don't understand how people can buy places nowadays. I have a 2-bedroom townhouse unit, and I couldn't afford to buy it at the prices similar units are going for. 3-bedroom houses or units are so far out of my reach it's not even funny. And I'm earning reasonably well.
 
What an interesting topic.
Fortunately I bought my house in the Durban North area in 1988 for R135,000.00 and paid it off by 2000 and I'll probably stay here for ever :)
 
What an interesting topic.
Fortunately I bought my house in the Durban North area in 1988 for R135,000.00 and paid it off by 2000 and I'll probably stay here for ever :)
Just do not sell it.
You would probably never be able to replace it.
 
Just do not sell it.
You would probably never be able to replace it.

Heard of several people caught in this scenario where once having sold a property cannot find another property in a similar price bracket or having bought the new property may be left over with very little or no change.

One has to either downscale or move to a rental property in order to enjoy any Capital benefits.

There is a chance now with the Property Market entering a more volatile stage to come out better from a sale, but you need to secure a Buyer first who can qualify for the appropriate loan amount and I hear this is not easy since FICA.
 
Heard of several people caught in this scenario where once having sold a property cannot find another property in a similar price bracket or having bought the new property may be left over with very little or no change.

One has to either downscale or move to a rental property in order to enjoy any Capital benefits.

There is a chance now with the Property Market entering a more volatile stage to come out better from a sale, but you need to secure a Buyer first who can qualify for the appropriate loan amount and I hear this is not easy since FICA.

Buyers are scarce and can pick and choose now.
Definately a buyers market.
 
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